The President has asked his cabinet for proposals on how to curb gun violence, suggesting that there’s no actual set of off-the-shelf ideas available to the Administration. They didn’t want to deal with this in a second term. They weren’t about to stick out their neck on the gun debate unprompted. But the tragedy in Newtown has, at least thus far, catalyzed the debate, among the country, which now supports various stricter gun laws, and certainly within the Democratic Party, where pro-gun NRA-backed types like Joe Manchin (WV), Mark Warner (VA) and Harry Reid (NV) all expressed support for Congressional action. Not but eight years ago, the Democrats’ Presidential candidate had to go on a photo-op of a hunting trip during the election. Now there seems to be a constituency for action.
“We need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens,” Reid, the Senate majority leader, said after a moment of silence on the chamber’s floor. “In the coming days and weeks, we’ll engage in a meaningful conversation and proper debate about how to change laws and culture that allow this violence to continue to grow. . . . And every idea should be on the table.”
But it’s a one-sided constituency, of course. No major Republican has come out and said that gun laws need to be looked at. Even in Newtown, Connecticut, gun owners expressed opposition to restrictions. So I don’t necessarily see consensus so much as the usual polarization, with swing-opinion types moving into the pro-gun safety camp.
Before this fight gets waged, however, there has to be some understanding of what problem needs to be solved. I completely agree with Mark Kleiman that asking “how do we stop the type of shootings we saw in Newtown” risks solving the wrong problem. The gun safety debate should not just focus on protecting children, and it may not be accurate to tailor policies toward preventing mass shootings. There are certainly things we can do to curtail the 9,000-odd homicides with guns used each year, but they may not be applicable to the case of the young, mostly white, often mentally disturbed individuals who commit mass murder, often out of a need for attention, which is then lavished upon them by the news media.
We also should point out that, were it not for medical advances that prevent more gun deaths than gunshots, we would have an even bigger problem on our hands. The rate of deaths by gun violence isn’t really an indicator of the nature of the problem.
Paul Barrett lists some possible things we can do. Almost none of them are applicable to the particular Newtown case. We can ensure everyone who purchases a gun receives a criminal background check (Adam Lanza didn’t purchase the guns and his mother, who did, purchased them legally; reportedly Lanza tried to purchase a rifle and wouldn’t submit to the background check, so he got his guns through other means). We can ban assault weapons and extended magazine clips (Lanza’s guns would be grandfathered in, and with the market for such weapons likely to be flooded before a ban takes effect, such items would be readily available). Guns should be locked up and those who have them should have the responsibility to do so (I don’t know exactly how you legislate that other than penalties after the fact. Nancy Lanza is in no position to receive such penalties). We need a far better regime to treat the mentally ill (we know Lanza probably had Asperger’s, but it’s unclear that he lacked mental illness treatment, and you wouldn’t want to take the logical step of assuming that everyone with a certain illness is a danger).
These are difficult debates to have, because the shadow of the last tragedy always looms so large. We have a gun violence problem, not a Sandy Hook Elementary School problem, and we need to figure out how to combat the former.
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“mentally disturbed individuals who commit mass murder, often out of a need for attention, which is then lavished upon them by the news media”
This is unproven.
The day Obama effects a liberal position on any issue, I will walk from New England to Washington, D.C. barefoot to try to thank him.
Initially about guns (semi-autos, massive clips, etc), these predictable debates soon include mental health and protection of children. Certainly the proliferation of lethal weapons must be addressed, and the likelihood of an unbalanced person obtaining such a weapon must be reduced, but — I think these various “control strategies” merely tinker around the edges.
My wife, a middle school science teacher, flatly stated that it all comes back to class sizes. Seriously. With 15 kids in a class, each student is personally known to the teacher, who can follow their personal development (or lack of), and can alert others to situations that demand attention. (The others in the class will know him too, which was apparently not the case recently.)
Classes of 25 or more students are becoming common — my wife has 130+ total, and has colleagues with more. She attempts to know each one personally, but give me a break. More “security” (at least at school) is a misdirection of resources.
It’s nothing new.
News: Gun sales surge across US after Newtown amid fears of crackdown
We could a stop a lot of gun deaths by putting an end to our asinine “War on Drugs”, since so many shootings are, in one way or another, related to drug turf wars.
I would think everyone would be in the pro-gun safety camp.
If everything is on the table how about adding the 1400 “accidental” deaths from firearms each year to the 9000 on purpose ones. Thank God for our “all of the above President who collects positions, advice , counsel from every corner of the Country and then does what he is told by big business. Ceberus(you know the company that is like Bain only more incompetent) is planning to sell the company that makes the “Bushmaster” assault gun but only due to profit loss reasons I’m sure.
A very good point. I know many school teachers, both relatives & friends, who very much feel in the “vise” of having to teach far too many kids at once. They do the best they can, but… it’s impossible to do a “good job” with too many students.
The so-called “libertarians” that I know think that having huge class sizes is no big deal, since everyone’s just supposed to automatically figure out how to “pull themselves up by their boot straps” anyway. No real need to have any book larnin to do that! I’m not exaggerating, btw.
When stuff like this happens… eh? well. too bad, so sad, thinning the herd or whatever. shit happens, ya know? Not exaggerating about that either.
I simply cannot relate, but that’s another story.
I happened to be visiting my Tea Party relatives this weekend. They all said that the USA needed better gun control laws. That was interesting. I don’t know if the NRA will agree with them.
However, if my Tea Party family is becoming this “seditious”… well, let’s see. Sad that it takes THIS MANY gun deaths for some to wake up, even though the Megan McDumbardles are still kissing up to the gunz ‘n ammo industries.
With respect to class size, as you decrease class size as a group the next group (100, 1000, 10000, etc) of teachers won’t be as good as the first group of teachers. At what point does the next teacher you have to hire become less beneficial than the reduction in class size? Some teachers can be great with 30 kids and some teachers cant handle 10 kids. Class size is not a cure all if you just get warm bodies to fill class rooms for the sake of a lower number.
If anyone “thinks” they need to be armed to the teeth, they’re not “thinking” correctly. I have a Glock in case of a home invasion, but I’m not expecting to use it anytime soon, it’s more like a “first response”, just in case…
Don’t underestimate the newsmedia’s role in this, I think they share a significant part of the blame.
The breathless, non-stop coverage, the trolling all the usual social media troughs, talking to friends and neighbors, and finally the pictures of the victims…It is all twisted infotainment served up by a diseased and useless mainstream media.
They are fulfilling a promise to disturbed individuals….immortality, becoming part of the twisted fabric of our time. People ignored you before, no longer….
new NRA stmt–they’re made up of 4 million moms and dads, sons and daughters (and we’re more than happy to exploit them to serve our real agenda of serving the death industry as we line our pockets.)
Yes, there is that, as well. Fortunately, I “watched” very little of what was dished out on tv, but what I did see was mostly ghoulish, perverted & disgusting.
Of course, there needs to be reporting on such incidents with regular updates, but the insane amount of “nooz casting” is mind-numbing and frankly perverted. I did see a clip of some ghoul shoving a microphone in a very very young child’s face and shouting: “How many gun shots did YOU hear????!!!!” DISGUSTING!
Unfortunately too many citizens tune in to this endless muck-raking and the desensitizing goes on.
Links for this “information”?? How do you come up with this “statistic”?
You had to see THAT one comin’.
I was hanin’g out at a car show after the election, as I am known to do, and these two East Texas rednecks were talking about stockin’ up on ammo in preperation for the apocolypse. (Not the Mayan one)This guy said he had 5,000 rounds of ammo. I said, “What? No RPG’s? What are you gonna do if they approach you in an armored Cadillac Escalade????”
You should seen the look on his face. It was PRICELESS!!!!!
Why, dear Jesus, do people insist on reinventing the wheel? Here’s how Congress can impose draconian gun control in the fewest possible words (my additions to existing law in bold).
26 USC 5845(b) Machinegun
The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger or by separate pull of the trigger if it can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun,
andany combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person, and any fixed or detachable magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.One more bit of housekeeping, since the transfer or possession of machineguns was banned in 1986 (with existing owners grandfathered in), gotta make this new class of “machineguns”– rifles and pistols that can hold more than 10 rounds– legal yet subject to ATF regulation): 18 USC(o)(2)(C)[This subsection does not apply with respect to...] Any transfer or possession of a machinegun specifically authorized by the Attorney General consistent with public safety and necessity.
Among other things, federal law:
1. requires all machine guns, except antique firearms, not in the U.S. government’s possession to be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF);
2. bars private individuals from transferring or acquiring machine guns except those lawfully possessed and registered before May 19, 1986 [softened above with "authorization by Attorney General"];
3. requires anyone transferring or manufacturing machine guns to get prior ATF approval and register the firearms;
4. with very limited exceptions, imposes a $200 excise tax whenever a machine gun is transferred;
5. bars interstate transport of machine guns without ATF approval; and
6. imposes harsh penalties for machine gun violations, including imprisonment of up to 10 years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both for possessing an unregistered machine gun.
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0020.htm
I assume the best teacher is hired first and the worst teacher is hired last. Its a population answer.
This is not the point. The thinking would be that the penalties would presumably be a deterrent, which she may have heeded while still alive, preventing the tragedy (and her own death).
You don’t need to do this to give people the medical care they need. This would be available to everyone, and would be a boon to parents of troubled individuals, who shouldn’t have to face this burden alone, as is now the case for most of us who can’t afford much more than rent and food.
Ultimately I don’t think this is a gun problem. Guns greatly exacerbate the problem, to be sure. But we have a culture where violence is glorified (and is the basis of our foreign policy), and social solidarity is vilified. Mix in desperate times and you’ve got a real problem. Our friends north of the border also have easy access to guns, but have one fifth of our gun homicide rate. Why would be a good question. My guess is that a more socially cohesive society with stronger social safety nets has a lot to do with this.