Many of what would be described as the liberal left of Congress have weighed in against using the chained CPI to calculate cost of living increases in Social Security benefits. Here’s a representative sample from Sen. Jeff Merkley:
We had an election, and the voters sent a message to Congress to focus on jobs and fairness — not cutting benefits for people who have worked all their lives and are now making ends meet on fixed incomes. The formula we use to adjust cost-of-living changes for seniors needs to reflects the real costs they face, not the budgetary fantasies of Washington.
I mean that’s precisely it. You will hear virtually nobody claim that chained CPI represents a more accurate way of determining the cost of living for senior citizens on Social Security, because if they were honest about it, they would tailor an inflation index to the real costs of seniors. The only benefit to chained CPI is that it saves the government money at the expense of senior citizens. That’s it. It’s a back-door way of lowering the benefit. Even if you agree with the methodology of the substitution effect, that people will manage the cost of living by purchasing less expensive products, you have to ask yourself if seniors have been getting away with murder all these years under the old rules. And considering they get an average annual benefit of just $13,000, and that almost half of them use that as their only form of income, without savings or anything else to fall back on, the very idea is preposterous. And the public, who has a working knowledge of Social Security benefits and how far they stretch, agrees.
Regardless of the carping of a few of those liberals and the majority of the country, however, Nancy Pelosi basically gave the game away: she will force her charges to stick with the President.
Despite these changes, Pelosi said she could convince her caucus to get behind such a plan, if need be.
“Do you think you could sell it to your caucus?” MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell asked Pelosi in an interview on Tuesday.
“I do,” replied Pelosi, adding, “Yes, the Democrats will stick with the president — and maybe not every single one of them.”
Pelosi tried to emphasize the unformed idea that there would be “protections” for the most vulnerable. For example, the disabled on Supplemental Security Income might not be subject to chained CPI, and there could be a “bump-up” for people aged 80, to compensate for the cumulative effect of the benefit cut. Again, the vulnerable are a massive part of this population. This is almost the entire income source for almost half of seniors, and for 3/4 of widows or unmarried women. And 15.1% of seniors live in poverty. And if you hold all of them harmless, you erode the actual savings you can derive from this. The three-legged stool of retirement has withered away, especially since the dot-com bust and the Great Recession. This argues strongly for increasing Social Security benefits, not cutting them and not even mitigating cuts.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney called this a “technical fix” to better calculate inflation. Bullshit. If this were just a technical fix, you would adjust so that the fix wouldn’t hit beneficiaries in a regressive fashion, with the most pain at the bottom. This plan doesn’t, to any real degree. The goal isn’t to properly measure inflation, it’s to save money for the federal government. It always has been.
The question worth asking, then, is if we want to cut Social Security benefits, why are we talking about chained-CPI, rather than some other approach to cutting benefits that’s perhaps more equitable? The answer is that chained-CPI’s role in correcting inflation measurement error is helpful in distracting people from its role in cutting Social Security benefits. Politicians who are unwilling or unable to offer a persuasive political or policy rationale for cutting Social Security benefits are instead hiding behind a technocratic rationale. We’re not “cutting benefits,” we’re “correcting our inflation measure.”
A similar dynamic is behind the popularity of raising the retirement age, or the Medicare eligibility age: Its advocates can pretend that it’s not a cut, but a technical adjustment made to account for the fact that Americans are living longer. Compared to other approaches to cutting benefits, raising the retirement age is, again, a substantively unwise, regressive approach. But it can be justified as a mere technocratic tweak.
The phrase “banality of evil” comes to mind.
The Administration won’t even stand up and own the fact that chained CPI also is a regressive tax increase that would break their promise to hold harmless anyone making $250,000 or less from additional taxation.
The difference between the two sets of numbers arises because of arbitrary ways the White House and the speaker’s office count spending cuts and revenues. Specifically, the White House isn’t counting the $60 billion in new revenue that the Treasury would collect if Congress indexed tax brackets to chained CPI. Round up a little, and it accounts for the $100 billion difference between the White House’s revenue number and the speaker’s.
On the spending side, the White House accounts for the fact that lowering projected deficits will reduce the amount the government is projected to spend on interest on the debt over the next 10 years. Some $290 billion, by the administration’s calculations. Boehner doesn’t want to count interest savings toward the spending cuts in any final agreement.
The White House refuses to own the tax increase, or they will work with Republicans to leave tax brackets unchanged. Then you would get all the savings from chained CPI out of benefits.
It’s hard to be surprised by any of this; we knew this was the trajectory for several years. But the combination of technocracy and cruelty is depressing to behold.





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Sad so many who voted for Obama in ’08 and ’12 still think him the second coming instead of another political hack, bought and paid for.
“CPI” has been trending on Twitter all afternoon. IMHO, a lot of your points found there way into a lot of other folks’ writing and tweets.
The timing is so pathetically obvious. They knew Social Security was their toughest fight. That’s why they had Geithner out front saying “Social Security, is off the table.” Then the slaughter of the innocents in CT changed their calculus. They thought with that huge distraction, they could sneak this through.
BTW, I’ve even seen Tweets from AARP that are opposed to chaining the CPI. More props to FDL for all their efforts to corral those folks.
If Pelosi passes this, the GOP will run on the fact that House Dems cut Social Security. And they’ll be right.
Uh, Pelosi may be able to live with Obama’s cuts and “changes,” but, bless her heart, she sure won’t notice any cuts to her SocSec checks. And, iirc, she gets her health insurance for life, no?
So, she’s not only freakin’ rich, but she’s set for life.
The rest of us? We’ll sink more and more into poverty, waiting for the Soylent Green factory intake centers to open up for us…. I mean, who doesn’t want their death to be meaningful and help society?
And catfood? Have you priced it recently? Not much to feed a human and not at all cheap. Take a walk down the pet food aisle.
I haven’t checked dog food lately….
Isn’t part of Obama’s agreement with Big Bidness, Corporatists, and Wall Street to destroy the remains of the Democratic Party?
Not surprising one bit. And the sad part is a lot of people here at the lake voted for these bastards…again and again. Front paging orgasms over Obama unfortunately ruins FDL’s credibility on these types of “I’M SHOCKED” moments.
Again, it’ll be a dark day at the lake when David Dayen is no longer trying to counter blind faith in “our side” with facts.
Remember this people: It was a Democratic president that proposed cutting SS and it will be Democrats in Congress that enable this travesty. This has been the GOP wet-dream for decades and they get it handed to them on a platter. They will never let the public forget it either.
Eat the rich. Won’t cost a dime.
SS has nothing to do with the Fiscal Cliff, the deficit, or the public debt. Why is it in on the table in a negotiation to find other ways to cut the deficit? And, why is it on the table after the Administration said it was not?
Someone please explain to me what MY social security has to do with tax cuts for millionaires expiring?
Wow, victory laps for the “We told you so!” crowd. Feel a bit smug, eh, boys?
San Francisco liberals aren’t what they used to be.
To think that the only hope of stopping this is the right wing of the House GOP.
The second coming of whom? Grover Cleveland?
I can only try to answer you last question:
Because they believe they can lie to us and still get reelected?
Well, Obama figured out a way to make it possible for him to coerce Dems into voting against their own political interests AND to screw us lower economic quintile people.
Obama and his crew created the Fiscal BLUFF.
Oh, I remember it well. I think the Democratic Party should be hearing from people about this betrayal. Some of them already have heard from me and many more will hear in the future. May their telephones ring perpetually and their in boxes, both virtual and actual, fill to over-flowing.
The most remarkable thing about these creatures is that they continue to ask for money. It’s hard to get one’s mind around their sheer unmitigated gall.
I never voted for Obama and I still feel sick to my stomach about what he’s doing. No victory lap, but a funeral march? For the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party and for people’s hopes that the Dems would take care of them.
Obama has made clear it ain’t gonna happen.
Or as Poppy might say, Nahgahappen.
Of course Queen Nancy – Impeachment is off the table – Pelosi is “ok” with cutting Soc Sec and Medicare (albeit that latter isn’t under discussion *at this time*… but it will be). Why wouldn’t Pelosi be damned comfortable about it?? It doesn’t have the slightest financial impact on HER.
Whatever. This was a foregone conclusion. If anyone is surprised, then you haven’t been paying attention. No joy on my part, even though I can say that I sure as hell didn’t vote for Obomba this time around, fwiw (not much).
why is there even a table… i dont get why there is ANY negoiation or deals. If the dems do nothing they win and then republicans are in the position of preventing middle class cuts or defending those for the rich.
Boehner is the one who needs to making offers and giving something up. Until yesterday he had the losing hand. And I think they know that once you get O negotiating you can just ask for more, more and move goal posts.
Maybe O should watch Pawn Stars. You can tell if the guy is going to buy your crap or not by his first counter offer
Can we make that an “ostensible” Dem prez? or a Dem prez who is a Repub and who ran under a false flag?
Answer: NOT. ONE. THING.
but you knew that.
this whole palaver about how Soc Sec MUST. BE. CUT. because of the “fiscal cliff” is bogus bullshit.
but you knew that, too.
That very thought occurred to me yesterday. “Oh, now that the national conversation is about slaughter and guns, we can sneak this through”.
It’s a friggin’ OUTRAGE. At least I didn’t vote for O the second time ’round. Once again, the only hope now lies with the Tea Party caucus. Bless their black-hearted ignorant souls, but unlike the “progressive” Dems, at least with them a “NO” means a “NO”.
-stewartm
Before the election, I was told more than once not to support third party, because Obama, once free of the burden of reelection, would do progressive things. Bwahahahaha!
It turns out they were right, just not in the way that they meant. Obama is indeed making great progress for the Republicans.
We have to do what we can. I’ve sent 3 e-mails to the White House in the last 8 hours. That’s all I can do but I will do lots of it.
O’s playing on the same team as Agent Orange Boner.
No need to watch Pawn Stars or whatever. His corp paymasters tell O what to do, and he dutifully does it.
Obama set up the Fiscal BLUFF in order to be able to do shit to SocSec and Medicare. It was his plan all along.
He never had to mention SocSec, but he did because he wants to make cuts to what recipients get.
He is not our friend.
Yeah, I heard all that shit and more.
Didn’t matter, did it?
Look: Obomba PROMISED to cut Soc Sec & Medicare during the 2d Debate. Where’s the mystery? Oh yeah right, Mitt RMoney would be “worse.” Like: yeah, R U so sure about that? Hey: I loved it when that rich shithead had to give his concession speech just because. But how would RMoney be “worse”?? I really don’t know.
And, why is it on the table after the Administration said it was not?
Because they are fuckin liars.
Actually, I am feeling ill.
There is is no satisfaction in being right on this one.
For those that don’t understand the details of a “chained” index, it means that if you spend $100 a month on beef, and the price of beef let’s say doubles, so you no longer eat beef and now you spend $100 a month on chicken, this means ZERO inflation. Because you were able to substitute for the beef.
Therefore, this is not a “PRICE INDEX” it is a SPENDING INDEX. It measures what people SPEND. And guess what?? MOST people spend about the same every month because they spend NEARLY EVERYTHING THEY EARN each month. So of course, a SPENDING INDEX will show lots less volatility than a price index.
We need to start calling out those that support this and start by not giving into their words of choice as in “chained CPI.” Bullshit, it is not a chained or any other kind of price index, it is a spending index.
And cost of living increases should be based on rising PRICES, not rising SPENDING. This is complete bullshit and they’re going to get away with it unless everyone comes together and constantly point out that this is NOT a price index.
sure, Pelosi could live with it! She has more money than she knows what to do with! Most legislators are quite rich. Most of us will suffer.
If a Republican were doing this, Democrats would be in the streets!
It’s the dealio that Obomba made with his greedy rich 1% pals. If they have “suffer” some minor (and believe me, it will be miniscule before it’s all over) tax hike, then us serfs had better get ready for a big fat old shaft. Bend over, cuz here it comes…
Well, probably not. IMO, most citizens are too lazy & simply not paying any attention. And yes, Virginia, that’s at least partly why there’s been such a gawd-awful, ghoulish media perversion going on around the CT slaughter… great distraction – eh?
I know you’ve been waiting for it, so here it is:
NANCY SMASH
Remember Edith Childs? The elderly black lady who started Obama’s campaign slogan “Fired up! Ready to go!” back in Iowa in 2008?
Yeah, he’s screwing *her* out of her SS money. That’s repaying your base.
-stewartm
” I think the Democratic Party should be hearing from people about this betrayal. “
Good luck with that. Pelosi will not accept emails unless you are from her district and most of the other Democrats are the same. Disgustingly, they will accept your money when they come begging but will not allow you to contact them. Shameful.
Again I say what I have said before – and feel free to repeat the refrain. Bernie Sanders’ insisted upon audit showed us that some fifteen trillions of dollars (dollars not counted in among the budget deficit monies) went out as “loans” to his favored banking and big financial buddies. he even told Sixty Minutes about it. (Although he never mentioned the vast amounts of “digitized accounts” he was creating.)
Experts tell us that some 4.7 trillions of these monies will never ever be repaid. Ever. (Funny how that amount is so close to the amount that Congress tells us has to be trimmed over the next ten years.)
If Obama wanted to, he could use his cahjones to issue an Executive Order that would recapture these monies. As far as I am concerned, the Big Financial People are the terrorists. They are in the process of destroying the middle class. If the Federal Government can recapure Iran’s bank accounts, and Osama BinLaden’s, then they can damn well capture Goldman Sach’s. And AIG. And Swiss Bank USB. If our Corporate-chosen elected officials wanted this to happen.
Unfortunately, Pres. Obama is too busy offering up gold cuff links to the likes of Jaimie Dioman to have the time to do the right thing.
Romney worse?
I don’t see how. If Romney was coming up with the same proposals as Obama, the Democrats would be pitching a fit. Not necessarily because they are ideologically opposed, but because Romney is a Republican and on the other team. Nonetheless, the result would be that Romney would have a more difficult time.
The more effective evil is at work as we speak.
Aww, the wonder of heuristics, by which you can “prove” the emperor really is sporting a fine set of new clothes.
-stewartm
Yep, the new and improved 0 doing what he does best killing Main Street to save ws. Nothing new.
Everything is on schedule, please move along.
I’ve heard that’s true of all Congresscritters, Repug or Dim. Which means that if you’re in a red state, you have essentially no one to complain to to begin with.
(Isn’t that convenient for the PTB to eliminate roughly half the people from the equation just like that?)
-stewartm
All things considered, this is not optimal, but, if there is some cushion for lower income seniors, I think it is acceptable.
Jawbone you’re right. A bluff isn’t quite a cliff. It’s more of a high hill overlooking a steep decline to lower terrain. So, I would say it’s a lot easier getting ” rolled ” by Dems and The Prez down the fiscal bluff as opposed to getting ” shoved ” by same over a cliff. At the end of the day, however, you still end up severely injured or dead. Which might be the real plan here, anyway. Republicans’ plan for the elderly, ” die quickly, please. ” Dems plan: Die more slowly, it’s better for Big Pharma and the Medical-Industrial-Complex.
and stewartm @ 40
From her website: Don’t know if the email works, the “contact form” just seems to be a sign-up for a newsletter.
Congresswoman Pelosi is unable to reply to any email from constituents outside of the 8th District of California. Please enter your Zip Code to verify residency and go to the next step. If you are not a constituent of the 8th District of California, and would like to email Congresswoman Pelosi in her role as Democratic Leader, please email her at AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov or click here for a contact form.
I once emailed Joe Lieberman and was told to STFU because I wasn’t from Connecticut. That I regarded as a one-off because of Lieberman’s extraordinary dickitude. I’m surprised to learn that it’s become SOP for Capitol Hill Democrats.
its just disgusting how these rich bastards including Pelosi and obama can sit there and carve up the lives of the most vulnerable in this, the richest nation on Earth – ever. Its indecent, its immoral, its callous, its cruel – they are all pathetic excuses for humans.
On principle, I resisted writing an outraged complaint to Pelosi, my “representative” in exactly the same sense that a hyena represents the interests of old and sick gazelles. But the angry missive is sent now and I return to the calm of knowing that among the truly innocent who suffer will be those who voted for Obama and Pelosi.
Someone please remind me where we are in Glenn Greenwald’s step-by-step outline of the Democrats’ treacherous snipping of the American people’s social safety net.
I look at Social Security this way. They doubled my payroll taxes in 1983 so that I could pay for the generation ahead of me, and pre-pay for my own retirement. Then the rich took the money in the form of huge tax cuts. Now they won’t pay it back… because rich people don’t have to do anything they don’t want to do?
We know who they are. Don’t listen to the lies. Watch their actions. It’s been very clear for some time now if you do.
Who are we? Will we let this happen? Will we take this lying down? Will we let our futures and our childrens’ future be bleak and impoverished so these criminal elite can take everything for theselves?
I found it. I believe we are entering Greenwald’s Step No. 3:
Dear Mr. President: ” I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can’t see from the center. ” Kurt Vonnegut P.S. Get yourself to the mountain because some of the people you’ll need are there waiting to advise you.
Like I said, whenever Pelosi comes out strongly against something you can bet she is going to support it in the end. This is how she operates, she is standing firm for the public option and at the end she will support the president’s right to get rid of it. LOL- she is so predictable, as far as Obama is concerned, for those of you who voted to reelect him look on the bright side it cldve been Romney cutting ssi. Again you were warned about reelecting Obama but your fear made you stay with him and now the guy you voted for wants to cut the social safety nets- so deal with it. I do feel bad for all those poor and working class people who bought his “you know me line” and voted for him bcz they trusted him to do the right thing for people like them but they did vote for him so if cuts their benefits I am sure they wont mind. Obama’s legacy will suffer bcz of this- you cant be a great president and screw the poor and middle classes at the same time. Obama shld be ashamed of himself.
Wrote her for you. (I don’t honestly expect anyone to unreservedly endorse my own sentiments):
I live on Social Security and tried to express my disappointment in Nancy Pelosi’s backing of this new COLA calculation method, but she does not accept emails from those who live outside her district. Enter your zip code to send her an email, and you’re booted out, unable to reach her. As she dives into pushing other Dems to get on board with this benefit cut, how’s she going to know how people out here in the rest of world feel about it?
It’s sad when those who are supposed to be on our side are instead getting cozier and cozier with the zillionairs. Pelosi doesn’t have a clue what it’s like to live on an income like mine, nor would I wish it on her.
“Pelosi Says She Could Live With It . . .”
Most cannot live with it nearly as well as Ms Pelosi.
Feh.
Not optimal? How about not necessary for the debt, the deficit, or any reason that serves the common good?
The “cushion” may be something like at 80 or 85, if still alive, a possible 5%, and possibly temporary, increase phased in over several years.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3690
Policymakers can mitigate this problem through other modest adjustments in Social Security and SSI. Both the Bowles-Simpson and Domenici-Rivlin plans proposed a bump in Social Security benefits — essentially an average increase of 5 percent phased in over several years — for beneficiaries after they have been receiving benefits (and hence, reduced COLAs every year) for 15 or 20 years. Both Bowles-Simpson and Domenici-Rivlin proposed that the bonus be an equal dollar amount for all eligible beneficiaries (rather than an equal percentage increase) in order to target the benefit adjustment toward those who need it most, an approach that the Administration backed in the Obama-Boehner negotiations last summer.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/12/18/more-on-chained-cpi-the-benefit-cut-for-social-security-on-the-table-in-fiscal-slope-discussions/
There are a couple variables in the reporting. First of all, Administration sources say that they plan to protect “the most vulnerable populations.” For example, they don’t want to apply chained CPI to wounded veterans and the disabled on Supplemental Security Income. This is an admission that people will get hurt by chained CPI; they’re just trying to manage the fallout. The rest of the ways to protect the most vulnerable haven’t been defined. Usually, you see some sort of “bump-up” in benefits to compensate for the changes to the COLA, particularly for the poorest recipients. However, the National Women’s Law Center points out that the bump-up envisioned in Bowles-Simpson (which included chained CPI) would only restore benefits to current-law levels for two years, before falling behind again.
Great letter.
I don’t know if I could vote for a Republican, but I will never vote again for a Democrat (without running on another line we well) as long as I live if the DC Dems back Obama on this crap. Might be another 4 or 5 presidential elections…if I last that long.
I’m sick to my stomach about Pelosi doing this kind of crap…again.
I expected it from Obama.
Hell’s bells, politics sucks nowadays.
Excellent response. A better response would be to have all of us here who are furious with our so-called representatives to convene a massive march on Washington.
And, not knowing the parameters of what may come up for a vote, my instinct is to wish every repub votes any package with chained CPI down along with every dem of conscience.
The catfood is on the table.
Edit: 80-85 was just my calculation for the 15-20 years referenced in the document. That assumed a retirement age of 65. What was I thinking? At the rate the Dems are going who knows what the retirement age will be?
I see “means testing” in our futures, right? To protect the most vulnerable?
And then our EARNED BENEFITS, aka entitlements, will be well and truly regarded as WELFARE, and I can hear the yowling from the Repubs and Corporatist Dems already: The Greedy Geezers are sucking up too much money! They must be removed from the government teat! Let them eat…dumpster droppings! (The older ones sure won’t be able to climb in to get the good stuff. And, while I repeat myself, they sure won’t be able to afford cat food.)
Thank God those two earner couples with no children struggling to make ends meet earning $399,000.00 a year won’t have to chip in a dime to solve the deficit problem … but those Social Security recipients living in luxury on their staggering $14000.00 income will have to foot the bill.
It’s sooooooo fair.
But only for the better off seniors.
And a resurgence of the Gray Panthers! I bet Occupy will back us up.
My problem is I can’t afford the transportation to DC, much less pay for a place with a bathroom…those darn diuretics….
Did Greenwald have a step labeled “And then they just lie to us”??
I guess SS is going to take back the $12.00 raise I got last week. I was going to use it to go on a cruise but now I can’t. s/
Harry Reid does accept emails from people outside his district. So does the White House. Anyone else?
Find a street address within her district and send her a note using it. Use a US Post Office address for example.
Earned benefits.
Go to the head of the class. The word “entitlements” used to mean “earned benefits” but thanks to the efforts of the Frank Luntzes of the world, it has come to mean “welfare.”
Good plan. I’ll do it.
Adding insult to injury the Chained CPI will add an additional $100 billion in new revenue due to its affects on the tax brackets.
That’s $100 billion less Boehner needs to find in revenues from the ultra wealthy.
The rich are taken care of no matter who wins the elections … it is shameful.
That “step” had no beginning, has no end.
Thanks for your comment on the Pelosi letter.
There’s no line the Dems won’t cross, it seems.
Great letter. Send it to some other turncoats, please.
Thanks for the comment — and a great call to action. This is an issue that affects so many people that there actually is some chance that, if enough people make their voices heard, the politicos may not get their way.
Yuck. This does little to nothing to fix the budget crisis, but it’s a good start on gutting Social Security. A program which has not contributed on cent to the debt – which was caused by unpaided tax cuts and unfunded wars. And what did it have to do with the economic collapse? Nothing.
If you want to get through to Congress members who are from your district simply make up an address and use the zip code of the congress member. I have actually used their entire address in the past. It usually works.
Well yeah. The worse-off get piping hot air and a big bowl of President Fuck You Flakes.
I am sending my two Dems senators from NJ an email saying I will not vote for them next time eventhough one Framk L signed Sanders letter…to hell with them all!!
No, if this new index was in place, rather than a $12.00 a month raise, you would get a $11.64 a month raise.
As I said above, while not optimal, if the impact on low income seniors is mitigated, it does not seem all that bad.
Should read “who aren’t from your district”.
There is NO reason to mess with Social Security. You know the facts. It is fully funded through 2037 and is not part of the deficit.
Where did all of that money go that went to the banks? Are they lending it out yet?
Absolute fuckery.
Chart comparing current CPI, chained CPI, and a CPI geared to senior citizen expenses.
http://my.firedoglake.com/tomthumb/2012/12/18/oppose-the-chained-cpi-call-or-write/
Ah yes, today’s “Democrat.”
“Cutting social security is acceptable.”
And make no mistake, not only does this commenter support the Democratic party no matter what, this really is the ideaology of today’s “Democrat.” “Cutting Social Security is acceptable.”
Even though Social Security has nothing to do with the fiscall cliff, the deficit, or the national debt, we’re going to cut social security and that’s ok because it’s just a small cut. No big deal.
The only changes that should be made to social security are INCREASING benefits and INCREASING revenues by making the cap higher.
Well, I see it as being considerably less than “absolute.”
It is less than above reproach.
You may be right but is that a winning argument? The simple fact is it does not cover all cost increases, especially for senior citizens who spend more than the average person on health care. And we all know what is happening to those costs.,
So nice to know our government is full of traitors.
Wanna know another reason why i refused to vote for President “Compromise and Negotiate”? This President closes up his WH comments line at 2Pm Eastern Time. If you live in California, and rush home from work to call the WH people, the comment line people are gone! That is yet another example of how much people in California matter to the guy!
I think that way leads to more equivocation. Also, it results in important reductions in benefits over time. Truth is we should be increasing benefits, not reducing them.
It’s just,my opinion but I think we need to stop using the language of welfare. Fact is our elderly are entitled to this. That’s what entitlement means. We should,just say so and ask why anyone would use the word welfare to describe what we as citizens have a right to.
I am sorry but you are missing whaat is happening. This CPI is first of all, a crock. THey assume that if we can’t afford steak we will eat hamburger, and if we can’t afford hamburger we will shift to pork. Taht way they say there is no inflation! Then they are cutting back on monies toproviders of MediCare services, which means that many people onMediCare are going to find outhow diffiuclat it is tohave a doctor. How much good does ahving MediCare do a personif there aren’t any providers?
Now youa re saying that it is only a thirty six cent difference. Well, LaDeeDAh! If that thirty six cents out of every 4 bucks returned to an older person is so damn important to have to come out of the hide of the elderly, then why the hell are we not going after the Big Finance people who were given “loans”by Bernanke? We know that happened because One) Bernanke boasted about it on “Sixty Minutes”, although he kept the nature of the vast amounts secret, and Two) the Bernie’s Sanders audit of the Federal reserve confirmed it.
This amount is is sitting around in the coffers of the world’s most affluent Bankers and Financial scum bags. They are nothing but financial terrorists. If the President can see to it that the bank accounts of the nation of Libya, Iran and the account of BinLaden is frozen, why cannot the President or Congress see to it that the 4.7 trillions of dollars that are not to be repaid from those trillions lent out simply be confiscated?
Why is it always important to let the Big Bankers have their bite out of OUR hides, but we are not to even think about having the reverse happen. The manner in which the Bought and Paid for Congress people and the President are all acting is a disgrace. And anyone in the country who thinks that this nation is a democracy needs to have their head examined.
A deal was always going have some cost. This particular cost, all things considered, if the impact on low income seniors is in some manner meaningfully mitigated, is acceptable.
I tried to make a response to Old Gold and am told it can’t go through (His remark Number 80) Maybe as a new remark it will go through?
I am sorry but you are missing what is happening. This CPI is first of all, a crock. They assume that if we can’t afford steak we will eat hamburger, and if we can’t afford hamburger we will shift to pork. That way they say there is no inflation!
Then they are cutting back on monies to the providers of MediCare services, which means that many people on MediCare are going to find out how difficult it is to have a doctor. How much good does having MediCare do a person if there aren’t any providers? Now you’ re saying that it is only a thirty six cent difference. Well, LaDeeDah! If that thirty six cents out of every 4 bucks returned to an older person is so damn important to have to come out of the hide of us elderly, then why the hell are we not going after the Big Finance people who were given “loans”by Bernanke? We know that happened because One) Bernanke boasted about it on “Sixty Minutes”, although he kept the nature of the vast amounts secret, and Two) the Bernie’s Sanders audit of the Federal reserve confirmed it. This amount is is sitting around in the coffers of the world’s most affluent Bankers and Financial scum bags. They are nothing but financial terrorists.
If the President can see to it that the bank accounts of the nation of Libya, Iran and the account of BinLaden is frozen, why cannot the President or Congress see to it that the 4.7 trillions of dollars that are not to be repaid from those trillions lent out simply be confiscated? Why is it always important to let the Big Bankers have their bite out of OUR hides, but we are not to even think about having the reverse happen. The manner in which the Bought and Paid for Congress people and the President are all acting is a disgrace. And anyone in the country who thinks that this nation is a democracy needs to have their head examined.
The problem with it, in addition to what I’ve said, is it is forever. If health care costs outpace inflation, there is no,substitute.
Opinions vary.
Forever? Perhaps, but I doubt it.
Thanks to the stupidity of the GOP?
the Gerrymandering of the USA has created a very strong position for PROGRESSIVES!!!
Yes? the GOP gerrymandered there way to power in the HOUSE.
However, when they done this, they created very progressives districts that House Dems have to get elected IN!!!
House Dems Districts are 90% Dem and Gop Districts are 90% Rep.
This means that Dems and Reps that play the Kabuki Games will be primaried from the Right or Left and LOSE quickly!!
Any House Dem that follows OBAMA down this path, needs to write a RESUME! their time in Congress will be very short.
GOP Gerrymandering gave Progressives the power to get rid of Blue Dogs!
Oldgold? I think a lot of House Dems and House Gop members know this!
This situation will only get worse, due to GOP gerrymandering.
Have you seen the Blue Dog caucus?
Pelosi, should know this!!!
Any Dem that votes to cuts Social Security in the HOUSE will be primaried, and will LOSE!!! thanks to GOP gerrymandering!
What is that 4.7 trillion? I missed something.
Have You Heard About The 16 Trillion Dollar Bailout The Federal Reserve Handed To The Too Big To Fail Banks?
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/have-you-heard-about-the-16-trillion-dollar-bailout-the-federal-reserve-handed-to-the-too-big-to-fail-banks
Oldgold? don’t insults us! let not act dumb?
This is all KABUKI, the FED gives banks 16 trillion? what CLIFF?
Obama got re-elected by who and whom? welcome to 24 hour 365 day campaign
We need more Progressives in Congress! Dems that vote for this crap, will help us reach our goals! :)
Jedi, You are back! I have been saving some crow for your dining pleasure.
Back to making bad political forecasts?
Actually Randall Wray says the number was 29 trillion. But who’s counting here?
Romney certainly couldn’t have moved this fast or effectively. And (odds are) there would have been a serious hue and cry if he tampered with s.s.
Oldgold? laughing
all war is base on deception! SUN TZU
we need OBAMA!
Obama will help us put more progressives in CONGRESS!!!
Do you understand Gerrymandering? you do know, the GOP created very Dem districts? you do know this? Yes
the GOP lust for power, help us progressives get rid of Blue Dogs!!!
Do you think a Dem in a district that is 90% Dem can get re-elected if they cut Social Security? Good Luck :)
I don’t know what, if anything, will be the force that can turn this country in a better direction, but it won’t be from the Democratic establishment, neither the politicians nor their apologists.
Even if this change meant 1 meal a month, or one dose of medicine, it’s apparently just fine with Democrats now, at least those of enough privilege to imagine it won’t ever be their meal or pill. Extending that caring to the common interest of all of us doesn’t seem to be part of the picture anymore.
I think we are making at least two mistakes. First, we rise to every challenge to SS as a life and death struggle. We know the conservatives want to kill the program or greatly reduce it if they could and so it is understandable. But the public at large is not in their pockets. People will understand that the safety net is important and it is the right thing to do. Most would agree it is something we are really entitled to as citizens. and that is true whether there is a trust fund or not. The accounting does not tell us what our rights are. We need to appeal to that.
Secondly, the real “cost” for these programs in the future is not simply money but whether the resources will be available to provide the services. There is no guarantee that will be the case. The population is aging with fewer to pay for and provide for it. And the unemployment we have today may directly affect what real resources there are in the future. So the problem is not one dimensional.
We have to find a better way of putting our ideas out there. The right wing has had thirty years to frame their message.
Nancy Pelosi: Judas wears a skirt
Comeback and play Old Gold!!!
Clearly your buddy Obama thinks it is 2008? it is not! :)
the political landscape of the USA has change, for the worse!
few Dems and Gopers run in districts that can be won by a Dem or GOP?
now Dems run in Dem districts, and usually the most progressives acting one wins!
the same can be said for GOPers ask Romney?
there is no more MIDDLE! :)
Dems that want long careers in DC better understand this simple fact.
As soon as any House Dem votes to cut Social Security, they should go find a U-Haul their time in DC will be short.
The GOP really helped progressives with all the crazy Gerrymandering! The GOP got rid of 90% of the districts blue dogs had a chance of winning.
and DEM senators? living in blue states don’t like the idea of losing to some new hot shot that loves FDR!!! :)
welcome to the 24 hour 365 day virtual campaign!
Obama needs to understand, the GOP is a MORONIC group, and those who treat them like MORONS will benefit! :)
Rupert Murdock can’t have all the fun? Murdock knows his FOX viewers are STUPID? Laughing, we can’t let him all the fun playing and manipulating these MORONS. we can’t do that OLD GOLD
Old Gold? do you think John Boehner can do any deal? :)laughing
We will surely tell GOP house members, that John Boehner is breaking the no tax pledge! Rush will never let this happen. :)
Old Gold this is better than Football! :)
They are peeing in their pampers over at Moo-ve on over this. Serves them right to suffer
Amen.
Some say.
The prog/Black is so pitiful nobody even trashes them .They literally aspire to be meaningless,i.e. ,vote against O without Pelosi getting mad at them .This isn’t a repeat ,it is a historical pattern of empire burlesque .Pelosi always spews a cloud of bluster behind which she pushes for wars ,tyranny and obscene cuts to the poor and middle income strata ,and then cracks the whip on her terrified little clown caucus .
Boo@2 ,is right ,MSNBC and the dem corporatists are virtually starpimping the corpses of those poor children so the spotlight on the gun gobbledegook can distract attention from O’s broken promises and draconian giveaways .Truly shameless bastards .
What is Moo-ve?
Because it’s my fuckin’ money. I earned it. It’s the only thing I have to live on, that’s why it’s a Big Fucking Deal. Yes, every penny counts. Where’s the ‘giving till it hurts’ for the mother-fuckers who buggered everyone and got off Scot free?
What they did comes out of the general treasury. Social Security has nothing to do with it. Nothing. That’s why it’s so infuriating to those of us dependent on it. It’s our rent, groceries, heat, lights, phone, our link to the outside world. Every PENNY counts and we’re being fucked for no rational or legitimate reason.
Don’t tell me it’s only a few cents. Should I open a vein and give blood to those weasel cocksuckers next? It’s only a few pints, I won’t miss it, right?
When will it stop? Year after year everything goes up.
I am being bled dry from rising rent, health insurance, electricity, phone, internet, gas and food prices.
I can’t afford any “luxuries” at all anymore. No eating out. No movies. No vacations. No trips. No magazines. No contributions to retirement funds. No cable. I can’t even afford to pay for a newspaper subscription.
All of these things my parents could afford as lower middle class workers and can still afford now as retirees with pensions and Social Security.
I fear I will be in the streets when I’m retirement age with only Social Security to live on. This is a battle for survival for millions of us.
And yes, the criminal financial terrorists need to be brought to justice and made to pay for what they did to the people of this country and the world.
I repeatedly said that my less than enthusiastic acceptance of this change to the index was conditioned upon a meaningful mitigation of its impact on low income seniors.
In the shabby-ass context of corporate media .I wis h to modify my remark@111 to exclude Big ED from my attack on RM ,CM and all the other O sycophants at MSNBC who tow the party line for fear of losing their neoliberal gigs .
This doesn’t mean I think highly of any of these fucks ,but insofar as infotainment ,some are better than others .
Moo-ve On = Move On the mindless Obamots who championed his every move and now are shocked when he betrays his constituency. of Course like all cult members they won’t dare lay this betrayal at Emperor Obomba’s feet
moo as in cow
Move On hasn’t championed every thing Obama did.
Move On members were very angry over Obama’s right-ward leanings the past 4 years. But they told themselves they had to rally behind him to defeat the Republican vulture capitalist Mitt Romney. Move On is still caught in the D/R farce.
I myself said fool me once…
Oldgold? your back! :)
Obama did not get the memo I see? LOL
Poor little Dems are scared? they know we want to put real dems in those SEATS! and if they follow OBAMA, our dreams will come true! :)
thanks to GOP Gerrymandering we now have a divided nation! :)
Old Gold? the left is screaming mad, I doubt if Obama political team saw this coming.
Pelosi has no clue what type of Dems are coming to DC?
let me give you a hint? a lot of these new Dems come from districts that are 90% DEM! this make it hard for them to do Kabuki, without getting hammered from a challenger.
Good Ole OBAMA! leading Blue Dog, Trojan Horse Dems, straight to the un-employment line? vote to cut Social Security Phony Dems, and see how quickly we destroy U? LOL
Old Gold? all war is base on deception! SUN TZU “see Obama is useful to us”
Imagine House members who have been in DC for 10 years 20 years, getting kick out of the house in 2014, because they voted to cut Social Security?
they will lose OLD GOLD!!! LOL
and they can thank the GOP Gerrymandering scheme for their new found un-employment.
it does not cost much money to campaign in a district that is 90% DEM, especially when the other DEM wants to be a Republican!
I can see it now! Phoney Dems telling their voters, I voted to cut Social Security, because Obama made me do it? LOL
Old Gold? How much political capital will OBAMA have in 2013? not much if he cuts Social Security
Old Gold? if you thought this old congress was hard to work with? wait until these new hard line Dems arrive.
Can a Dem do Kabuki Games? and get re-elected in district that is 90% dem? I doubt it :)
Jedi, OK, the crow is being served.
Jedi:
If Obama and Pelosi exclude literally thousands of cuts to empire allocations to posit a false choice between employment extensions and the SS chain ,they and the political flunkies who use this choice to cover their asses are all moral dogshit .They deserve any and all pain and misery visited on them . This slope ,the slippery slope to the privatization of our social insurance and eradication of safety-net lifelines ,is our concern ,not some fiscal slope artifice constructed by the capital markets .
Sssshhhhhh! If you’re real quiet, you can hear the Dem’s vestigial spine cracking.
That should be unworthy of you…
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Last year Big O gave us NDAA on New Year’s Eve.
This year it’s Chained CPI wrapped with a big bow as a Christmas gift to all the f*ing retards. Merry Christmas.
Nancy “impeachment is off the table” Pelosi?
Nancy “we’re going to drain the swamp” Pelosi?
Ms. Pelosi is the leader of House Democrats. Most House Democrats are New Democrats and the numbers of the House Progressive Caucus are dwindling.
It is Ms. Pelosi’s job to get House Democrats to back the agenda of the Democratic Party.
The current head of the Democratic Party is Barack Obama, who has been pushing his New Democrat agenda of “reforming” “entitlements” since he got elected and he has not shirked from that arduous task. Of late, he has had to negotiate vigorously against himself in order to do that, but he has made that sacrifice.
What the fuck does anyone expect Pelosi to say?
When today’s liberals (aka, relatively conservative Democrats of 1929 through 1970), finally grok that today’s Democrats act (and vote) like Republicans who know enough to keep their less popular thoughts to themselves, today’s liberals will be much happier folk.
Personally, like Winston, I have come to love Big Brother and recognize that we have always been, and always will be, at war with Eastasia.
Oh, yes, and with the Republicans who are honest enough to call themselves Republicans, too.
Because we’re so very, very different from both those groups, especially the Republicans. After all, you’ll never catch us admitting we’re voting for Republicans. Sniff.
Telling the truth about voting for Republicans is only for (ugh) Republicans. Democrats are morally superior to them! That’s why we vote for Republicans who find that running as Democrats betters their chances of personal success.
No, no, no, no.
You just don’t get it.
Many of them are very sophisticated. They will be the first to tell you how awful he is. They didn;t vote for Obama. They voted for the Lesser of Two Evils. Their only mistake was assuming that Obama was the lesser of two evils.
Funny thing, though. Even though they voted for good ole Lesser, Obama won the election anyway; and no politician gives a shit why anyone voted for him, as long as they voted for him. As far as any politician is concern, a vote is a mandate.
There’s still a Democratic Party? Who’s in it?
Pyrrhic victory much?
Now you’ve done it! Now I can’t decide which I like better, Fiscal Bluff or Kabuki Cliff.
I think Fiscal Bluff is more clever, so, of course, I am going to steal it.
Fuck you for making it about Pelosi’s gender when male traitors far outnumber the female–and always have.
Won’t be very appetizing, though.
I appreciate that you get it. It has taken me a long time to get it (and therefore I voted Democrat all my adult life until 2012).
But, please do not believe that you get it more than MoveOn does. MoveOn knows exactly what it is doing and why. There is very little money or power in being against both the Democrats and the Republicans. That’s why there is a Fox News and an MSNBC *which was once all pro Republican), but no “Pox on both your houses” television network.
So, some Democrats play to liberals when nothing turns on it, then goes full bore Democrat or, at least, full bore “Democrats are the Lesser of Two Evils and the world as we know it will end if a Republican wins” when it actually might matter. (Some MSNBC and Current ommentators do the same, like Ed Shultz.)
Because Obama (and the DLC) was for cutting Social Security before he was against it. And he has simply renewed his faith in his original vision, as first made public AFTER his first election, but before his first inauguration. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011504114.html
While his position “evolved” while he was running for his second election, how that he no longer has any use for votes, his heart has led him back to his original position–and only a few short weeks after his re-election, too. So fuck anyone who says he has spent his entire career deceiving voters in order to realize his personal ambitions.
And thank God we did not elect a flip flopper and habitual deceiver, like Romnney.
Lesser of two evils, my ass.
It’s not about spine (courage) or weakness or stupidity. They are doing what the DLC has long recommended. IOW, they are doing what they want.
The most difficult part of this for them is trying to convince us that the Republicans are forcing them into it. Please don’t help them out with that. It will not stand the nation well in future elections.
What is that mitigation?
Basing things on need, rather than on having paid into an insurance system called Old Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance, only undermines OASDI further.
Make it less like insurance and more like welfare and you make OASDI far more vulnerable to welfare “reform” for the next Bill Clinton.
Obama’s payroll tax cuts and other conduct have made it vulnerable enough as it is.
I hope to hell you are including Obama in “conservatives” because he led this onslaught and will succeed where a Republican President like Bush failed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011504114.html
Why will Obama succeed where his Republican predessor failed? Because Bush had opposition from Democrats, both officeholders and voters, while Obama has nothing but support, rationalizations and excuses from Democrats.
And know this: the first cut to Social Security has been the hardest. After this, it will be easier and easier for both Democrats and Republicans to continue the “reforms” begun by Trojan Horse Obama.
So, I sure hope Democrats do listen to anyone who tells them to sit down and shut up because being eviscerated by a conservative calling himself a Democrat is supposed to be somehow oh, so much better than being eviscerated by a conservative who is honest about his political views.
And why am I supposed to shut up about the elderly, disabled, widows, widowers and orphans again? To make myself seem more acceptable to conservatives? Why the fuck would I want to do that?
No. The deal is to give the nation a choice between Tweedle Dee Republicans and Tweedle Dum Republicans because financial markets do not like elections to change things.
Bubba Clinton studied under Carroll Quigley, who preached that doctrine and named Quigley and JFK as his (Bubba’s) two biggest influences.
And true to his goals, Bubba became the first DLC candidate for President. And the first to go from relative poor Arkansan kid to $100 millionaire via politics alone.
But you have to do it by making the two parties the same. If you do it by eliminating one of the parties, the American sheeple might finally wake the fuck up to the fact that this is not really a democracy whose leaders are chosen by them. We probably wouldn’t, but why risk it, when buying politicians is so easy and relatively inexpensive?
Emails, online petitions and email chain letters never change a single thing, but they sure they make us feel as though we’re participating and being activists, don’t they?
Why would they believe otherwise? We just had an election where the guy who won lied to us and got reelected.
I am a member of the I told you so brigade. I get no pleasure in knowing that the idiot you re elected is more interested in protecting the interests of Boeing, GE and a bunch of other defense contractors at the expense of the average citizen.
That being said I am going to continue to remind the oh so pragmatic and serious people that they have ownership of this since they thought that “hold the Democrats feet to the fire” was the only “realistic” option.
I’ll also make sure that the hand wringing Democratic elected officials who insist they don’t want to do this and its all the fault of those mean ol Republicans while voting for this “compromise” get their just desserts too. It’s an elected position and I’m not afraid of the facing a Republican boogeyman when I already have a Democratic one to contend with.
Don’t worry when the cost of things like housing and health care get too high you can always use the substitution principle and reside in a cardboard box and buy over the counter aspirin made in China from the Dollar Tree.
Economists are so witty.
Death by pragmatism- that may very well be the Democratic Party epitaph eventually.
Natty, I sincerely apologize for my prior reply to your post. I could have said that Pelosi’s pollitical positions and actions should not be associated with her skirt (or with her genitalia) in so many better ways. I am truly sorry that I chose the way that I did.
To what end?
Do we still believe that our emails matter?
How many emails do you think Obama received about the public option? And it polled at over 70% approval, too. Didn’t matter at all–and he suffered no consequence from ignoring us.
To the contrary, he got the best Democratic re-election numbers since FDR and, as a result of that, became 2012′s Man of the Year for 2012.
Oldgold? I must admit? a lot of us had no idea that the GOP would try mainstream the ideas of Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Mike Hukabee, and Romney would sing their praises?
Obama is very lucky! History will say, the crazy GOP party terrified sane USA citizens and this help OBAMA when the White House Twice!
Old gold? I love the video of OBAMA crying, after the election when he spoke to his staff, and told them how great they would be?
I think those young people know understand, this simple fact there are no GOOD DEVILS, all DEVILS are evil!
Old Gold? ask Obama to tell those young people how he plans on making grand ma and grand pa eat Cat Food! and please tell Obama to give us another Tear. :)
What I learn in 2012? never under-estimate STUPID!!! just when you think the GOP can get no dumber! they do!