But the damage has already been done. Media reports are calling the Boehner Plan B an effort to squeeze the President, even though it does no such thing, since tax rates represent the most predictable part of the entire fiscal slope conversation. If nothing gets done, all of the Bush-era tax rates go up, and then a tax cut bill can pass at whatever level the White House prefers. Republicans have said as much. That would be a tax cut bill, just as Boehner’s Plan B is a tax cut bill from current law. (Buzzfeed, straying from their normal diet of recycling old quotes and cat pictures, is getting way too cute here. Of course a bill that extends tax rates beyond their expiration date is a tax cut.) And it would be as hard to resist for the GOP as the extension of the payroll tax cut, which Obama successfully got last year simply by standing firm.
But the President didn’t stand firm. He blinked and the Republican know it, and they will use that to get a much better deal out of all this.
A few weeks ago, the Obama administration was firm that they wouldn’t budge on tax rates for income above $250,000 and that they wouldn’t budge on the debt ceiling. They’ve since budged on both. Republicans increasingly think the White House will concede more now, and that if they don’t concede more now they’ll definitely give Republicans a better deal if threatened with debt default. Whether or not that’s true, it pulls Republicans — and Boehner — to the right, as it makes it harder for Boehner to argue for a compromise now.
Two things can be true: the President could simply want social insurance cuts, to burnish his legacy or because he seriously feels those programs are unsustainable or for whatever reason that you can prove with several years’ worth of quotes and actions. And it could also be true that, in the zeal to “make a deal,” the Administration is giving up as much as humanly possible, threatening things that they may not have even wanted to threaten at the outset of the negotiation. There’s no question that Republicans feel empowered to sit back and wait for Obama to come to them. He has in the past, and that’s precisely the dynamic of this negotiation.
Maybe Republicans will look a gift horse in the mouth again, as they did in 2011, and maybe this whole thing will blow up. But on the numbers, the two sides aren’t all that far apart. You can see a a path to agreement here. And that path will lead directly to the right, because the President gave up leverage he may have never wanted to hold.





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hard to believe obumer is Times man of the year, what a sad state of affairs.
Obama doesn’t know how to negotiate with Republicans.
He needs to find issues like the carried interest tax loophole that really hits the super wealthy in the pocket. Then use those items that only affect the very rich to extract compromise. Don’t focus only on broad rates … hit them where it hurts one punch at a time.
Obama always has the courage to fold, Rice was just the next to last example.
I agree that just because Obama really wants to take an axe to Social Security and Medicare doesn’t preclude the fact that he is a terrible negotiator as well.
It’s a floor wax and it’s a dessert topping.
maybe we ought to get D.Dayden into the negotiating room, he seems to understand a lot more about this exercise than Obama & co.
better yet, it’s about time to get Obama out of the negotiating business altogether, for the next four years. Let the Senate Dem leadership negotiate EVERYTHING with Boehner and the crazies. When one party each holds a branch of the Congress, haven’t they traditionally negotiated with each other, with the Pres. standing behind the scenes ? Somebody better with history could help me out here.
The dynamics of these negotiations are all wrong, maybe purposefully on Obama’s part, to get his SS cut. The current structure neuters the progressives in the House and Senate from having a negotiating voice.
Progressives need a new movement called “let us do the negotiating, Mr. President, we’ll tell you what to say and when to say it, otherwise sit down and shut up.”
Well, Pete DeFazio suggested strongly that the Democrats leave the Fiscal Cliff nonsense alone. And simply wait until the new Congress adjourns after Jan 2oth of next year. What would happen? The defense budget would be axed, which would be good. And the Bush/Obama extended tax rate cuts for the Upper Two Percent would expire, which would also be good.
Then we would have the likes of Alan Grayson to rip the Boehner crowd a new one.
But obviously, that is not what Obama feels his Puppet Masters want him to do.
Obama and his peers in the White House are clueless about the current political landscape!
The GOP has gerrymandered their way into control of the House for the next 8 years basically.
This process also led to Dem Districts being 90% dem or higher, which makes it very hard for Dems in the House to act like Republicans, knowing they will be primaried by someone on the left, and lose. “Cutting Social Security will ursher in a new group of Dems come 2014.
GOPers already understand this reality! if GOP house members votes for new taxes, they will face a tea party candidate in a district that is 90% republican.
Obama and Pelosi act like, house Dems come to DC to spend 2 years? not!
House Dems are stuck! vote with Obama and lose your seat in 2 years, or look at reality and realize that GOP gerrymandering has put you in a district that is 90% Dem or higher.
I don’t think the forefathers of the USA saw this coming?
welcome to Congress Grid Lock
I sometimes fantasize about what might take place in the evening in the family quarters of the WH. Does Obama stride in confident and cocky, or whimpering with hurt feelings, or feeling like he’s only a human as he takes his socks and pants off. Or angry that he get’s played like a cheap violin by the PTB, even though he wants to be one of them. Or maybe a little of each. And Michelle? “your knockin ‘em out of the park Barry”; or those turkeys (fill in the blank) just don’t understand or appreciate you; they don’t deserve you. Or, hiding a bit or her own disgust (one can take just so much self denial), “I’ll always love you.” I mean how can an intelligent and apparently progressively minded person even engage the kind of delusional self-deception Obama must live with and not feel a bit phoney?
agreed. Good to see Grayson arriving, I sent him all the cash I had left over after I bought my catfood, looks like he’s in a safe district now and will be a perpetual voice of sanity at the nut house, aka House of Representatives.
So maybe all these stupid desperate ploys from Obama are meant to get a Pete Peterson approved deal before Grayson and other liberals arrive. That would square with Obama’s desire to spend his retirement in the corner office at Pete’s palace on wall street.
DeFazio, we need a hundred more of him.
Obama isn’t a socialist, a progressive, or even a liberal. His track record proves that. He is every bit as conservative and corporatist as Ronald Reagan and Herbert Hoover. Of COURSE he proposed cutting Social Security cost of living adjustments(source: Democracy Now!) and, if he gets away with that, cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and every other social safety net won’t be far behind.
I heard Boehner’s one minute statement today on the radio. He’s clearly just posturing. If no deal is cut by January 1, Wall Street stocks may plummet, therefore, a deal will be cut.
And so will the pocketbooks of millions of Americans who depend on things like Social Security. And Democrats told us he was the lesser evil.
Humbug!
another way to look at it, there are enough borderline rethug districts nationwide to put in a Dem majority, just barely. If that happens, along with progressives winning primaries in the gerrymandered 90% districts, that could turn it all around. Every election going forward, progressives gain by way of demographic changes, and they also gain every time a house rethug opens his mouth with some bullshit straight out of the 1950′s.
let the weak Dems vote with Obama’s bullshit cuts on working people and the elderly, that would be OK for progressives running in 2014 primaries. I wonder if any of the weak ass Dems, like Pelosi, are starting to figure that out.
LOng time no see.
I compliment your “plan” but recommend heavy drinking as a backup. I have two Dos Equis for lunch every day. Not “with” lunch. For lunch.
Two Dos Equis or one Quatro Equis?
may need to go to an all-liquid diet soon, or move to Colorado or Seattle.
I wonder if Obama actually ever really wanted Rice. With Kerry in as Secretary of State, it puts the Massachusetts Senate seat in play with Scott Brown as the likely seat filler.
Obama’s not afraid of Scott Brown in the Senate, and did what he could to help Brown retain his Senate seat over any Democratic challenger. Whether it was in 2010 when he did nothing to help Martha Coakley or in 2012 when Obama had a signing ceremony of a bill that Brown had co-authored, with Brown front and center in the White House, Obama has gone out of his way to keep from having a super majority for Democrats in the Senate.
Looks like the Republicans are the ones who don’t know how to negotiate.
Obama is giving them everything they want and they still will not take yes for an answer.
TIME should depict Obama in a cave waving a white flag
According to Obama, if you wanted a president who fights, you elected the wrong man.
lol..i tell you all the deal has been made long ago.
here is what i expect it to be..
cuts to SS as reported.
obama will also agree to 400billion of additional medicare cuts.
obama will also agree to 200 billion of food stamp/ medicaid cuts.
obama will lower his demands for tax increases at $600,000 income.
THAT or something quite similar will be the deal.
mark it and just wait and see.
And I see that Scott Brown just gave Obama the “gift” for Obama’s likely endorsement of Brown for Kerry’s Senate seat: Brown will back gun ban legislation.
I e-mailed Pelosi, my representative (Van Hollen) and both my senators (Mikulski and Cardin) last night. Told them what I thought of the chained-CPI proposal and then closed by saying that:
1. I left the Democratic Party in 2008 but that their behavior on this issue made me want to re-join just so I could quit again.
2. It was ironic that I was depending on Republican intransigence rather than the Democrats defending social and economic justice to scuttle this deal.
Clearly David Dayen has learned nothing in twenty years: the task at hand is not hiking tax rates, but forcing Republicans to vote for hiking tax rates or vote for higher rates than exist today.
Merely getting to higher tax rates means we end up back in 2008 with massive deficits and the economy crashing because Republicans devoted their entire past two decades to cutting taxes no matter how damaging cutting taxes is because cutting taxes no matter what is the only hope they have for wining the Republican primary.
If hundreds of Republicans break the Norquist pledge, the will to primary every Republican and end up losing Congress is going to be totally opposed by mainstream Republicans.
Going over the cliff is a godsend to Boehner because that is how Republicans win.
I’m so tired of brainwashed dems assuming they are smarter than the Wall St. sharpies who politically sodomize them every fucking day .Obama is not stupid ,clueless or a maladroit negotiator .He and Boehner are pimped by the same ruling kleptocrats ,they both seek to destroy and privatize safety-net lifelines ,and their conflict theatrics will continue to define the parameters of discontent as long as ignorant and delusional humps buy into the clueless and supine rationales that keep the flimflam narrative alive .THIS IS CLASS WARFARE .
To lose a class war to people smarter than you is no disgrace ,but to be so fucking stupid that you can’t accept a war is even being waged ,is the type of moral disgrace that explains how people countenance a Holocaust without being able to see the truth in front of their collective snout .
“Two things can be true: the president could simply want social insurance cuts…”
We can stop right there. That’s precisely what he wants, and he’s going to get away with it.
We have to break the two party oligopoly. Third party is necessary to even contemplate an honest discussion in this country.