So Democrats have reached the bargaining phase of the fiscal slope debacle. It’s hard to say whether they’re pushing this because they think they have an opportunity to avoid the austerity bomb or because they know they have no partner on the other side, but either way, the result is the Democratic leadership, at least in the House, taking control of a plan that would, among other things, cut Social Security benefits as well as benefits for any of the 50 federal programs with a cost of living adjustment or income-based eligibility standard, and begging John Boehner to work with them to pass it.
Steny Hoyer had this to say on CNBC today.
Democratic House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Friday he thought Republicans would be willing to work with the president. “We still need to focus on not going over the cliff,” he said. “It’s not good for the country, not good for the economy, not good for the confidence of the American people.”
He added: “John Boehner could not get his own bill through the Republican majority. What John Boehner I think can do is come to an agreement with the president and get half of his people or a little more than half of his people” to reach a bipartisan agreement.
That’s the conventional view – Boehner could abandon his right flank and join hands with the majority of Democrats on something that can pass. But on with Andrea Mitchell, Hoyer went further. He specifically said that the vehicle for such a deal could be the last Obama Administration offer, which would increase tax rates above $400,000, extend unemployment benefits, and include a process for a total of $1.2 trillion in tax increases and $930 billion in spending cuts, including switching to the chained CPI for Social Security and other social program benefits, as well as tax brackets. There are other parts to the deal as well (a permanent patch for the alternative minimum tax and the doc fix, a two-year stand-down on the debt limit), but those are the highlights. Hoyer basically said that he could bring Democrats along with half the votes for such a deal, while Republicans could get the other half.
I don’t think it’s possible for Republicans to get that other half, actually, and Boehner supporting a deal like this would spell the end of his leadership. Maybe he’s willing to take the risk but I doubt it. Still, you have to marvel at the agenda-setting power of the President, who often gets described in these budget deals as at the mercy of the other side. The President put an offer on the table, and regardless of the details, the House Democratic leadership is completely going to bat for it. The strategic considerations of a post-cliff deal versus a pre-cliff deal are completely irrelevant. Because the President wants a deal to cut Social Security benefits as part of a compromise he reaches with Republicans – it was in his campaign book, fercryinoutloud – that has become the official Democratic position in the House at this point. All of the social insurance cuts in this debate came directly from the desk of Barack Obama. Republicans support block-granting Medicaid and voucherizing Medicare. But because Obama offered increases in the eligibility age and means testing and chained CPI in 2011, they’re back in the debate in 2012. And that’s all that’s in the debate.
The numbers for passage simply don’t add up here – there’s no rump Republican caucus committed to this. The best plan continues to be to give space to Republicans to pass a pure tax cut in January, use the proceeds to avoid the sequester, freeze withholding rates and use OMB to avert the worst of the sequester until that deal coalesces, and then just refuse to negotiate on the debt limit, as the President has said all along. This is not in the strategic thinking of Washington Democrats. They want a deal, even with no partner on the other side.




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Fvckn Steny.
Move over Herbert Hoover, make room for Barack Obama.
So good.
This is a giant F@$& You to everyone who voted for Dems last month. My only consolation is I didn’t.
Recently, kabuki monster Alan Grayson was here, fulminating over his “opposition” to chained CPI. Opposition in as far as not actually being asked to vote for such. However, that request to vote is now in the pipeline, and young kabuki master Grayson is ready with a “yessirreee!” and a stiff salute….
doing his duty to stiff you all….all the while looking out for his real party, Likud. You can be damned sure of one thing. Unilateral wealth transfer to Israel will not be on the table for cuts. That’s one Alan would have no trouble voting against – probably the only thing indeed.
Well, Alan won’t be voting on this thing, but whatever. Fuck the beltway.
Obama needs to step back and realize the Democrats will own these cuts.
This isn’t jumping off the cliff together, everyone is to blame so no one will be punished.
How long until Grayson gets to Congress…couple weeks ? If nothing is passed by then, at least we’ll have somebody who’s not afraid to speak up about the nonsense of Dems voting to cut social programs.
Grayson won his district by aboout 30%, so I’d say the big dog is ready to speak his mind, get out his charts, and get in the news coverage 24/7. Instant spine for the progressive caucus, and instant prosecution of the assholes running the House currently, Dems and Rethugs alike.
Wingnuts understandable hate the guy, a Dem with guts. Let the Alan Grayson show begin, it’s about time.
I guess if you’re rich and you just won your district by 30 points, you can pretty much do and say anything you want to in BubbleTown.
Our brave democrats, pretending that they have no power…or, if they do, that using it would mean economic and political disaster.
“Let the Alan Grayson show begin.”
Amen to that. Grayson understands that with the GOP there is no such thing as “bipartisan”. It only exists in Obama’s mind.
By his own words, Obama does know this and does not care.
… and the rest of the Dems consider themselves as part of an enlightened elite wisely administrating the affairs of us lesser people…
You have to realize Obama wants credit. Should this pass look for Obama yo spend the rest of his life talking about how he took on members if his own Party and reformed entitlements.
… amnesia is a terrible thing…
That whole “Grayson the Lion” spiel was used on us back during the health care debacle.
The Lion growled.
The Lion roared!
… the Lion folded like a house of cards…
Once again the imbecilic Democratic leadership walks right into the Republicans trap. Boener goes down in flames and Dems once again start negotiating with themselves.
Apparently, the function of Democrats these days is to make Republicans not look so bad.
Still, you have to marvel at the agenda-setting power of the President, who often gets described in these budget deals as at the mercy of the other side.
what you really have to marvel at is the DINO POTUS IS the other side. How could he lose?
exactly!
Fuck, yes! How stupid of me. Alan can kabuki with impunity, because the dirty will have been done before he even gets to congress. I had totally overlooked that. The evil genius of the kabuki monster.
Democrats are apparently using the same strategy as the Union forces at the Battle of Gettysburg.
UNfortunately, I think it will end up being the “Battle of Little Big Horn” with the democrats playing the role of Gen. Custer.
“Merry Christmas, motherfuckers!” the president and his party lackies cry cheerfully to the American public.
Please, just go over the cliff! The working classes got hardly any benefit from the tax cuts, so they will not be hurt when the cuts expire. They will, however, be hurt from the chained CPI for Social Security. Every year under the “chain” a lower standard of living will become the new normal – until the next year”s standard of living goes even lower. Grandma will go from a small apartment to a small shared apartment to a cardboard box. Most seniors pay into Social Security for 40-plus years, and the benefit paid do not add to the deficit.
How’s that lessor of two evils working out for those who voted for Obama.
lesser?
I stand corrected. ; )
FU Democrats! This is no ethical act. You deserve our contempt and you will get it. Traitors to the American people! You have no mandate to punish hardworking Americans. Bipartisan vomit.
Obama needs a deal bcz it is his cover for cutting entitlements. If we go over the cliff he will get the tax increases automatically but he wont have an excuse to cut social security and this is what he really wants. Those damn Tea Party yokels are a thorn in his side. lol-
Remember call your republican congress member and urge them to say no to tax increases or any deals with Obama, its the only way we can stop the Obama Pelosi cuts from taking affect.
This is the naked admission I’ve been waiting to hear .Hoyer just proved what the smart people have known for years ,the dems are nothing but a manufactured corporate brand that was fabricated to appease the swinish multitudes who comprise the middle-income strata .Whether unionists or professionals,all card-carrying dems will get what they deserve ,a cluterfucking into impoverishment .
Talk about self-inflicted punishment,this criminal political mob sells you out without even the hideous fig leaf of self-negotiated concession ,and yet you give fees ,sweat equity ,and donations to overstuffed bag of shit like such as Trumpka ,then wonder why he and Obama are MIA when your future is on the line .You are chumps ,not victims .
Last night ,there were comments exuding giddiness because some piece of dogshit such as Alan Grayson was at FDL to give a circuitous apologia for Obama with the ”hostage fatuousness ” The battered spouse nellies such as, Laura Flanders ,Michael Moore ,and the other lean-forward loonies will take another four years of verbal and economic abuse , only to return once again and gush over Hillary and the ”progressive mandate” .
This neoliberal left is a toxic false sense of security ,and rather than taking this Hoyer admission as an urgent call for movement /third party mobilization ,they will be the first to snivel about this time ,any time ,being wrong and the cause too overwhelming for ignoring SCOTUS picks and the increased needs of the poor that their lesser-evilism caused .
Let me fix it: Fuckin’ Steny. And his fucking fuckery. Fucker.
Thank you lainey…..well said. You are so right.
It’s important to call them ALL. If they are a Democrat then tell them that if they vote for safety net cuts they’ll be consequences. If they’re GOP tell them to oppose Obama. All of them need to know that, we, the constituency, are paying attention.
It isn’t just Obama though or this would be going nowhere. It’s the Democratic LEADERSHIP. I’ve said it before and I”ll say it again, The Democratic Leadership is not the friend of a progressive activist. They think you are morons and every cycle you protect them when they run around hand picking who will and won’t get challenged and buy their no primary or you’ll tank us in the general argument, you prove them right.
Challenge them in primaries, challenge them with third parties but for cripes sake quit pretending that the bulk of them are on your side because they aren’t a Republican.
Yes ,cwaltz,anyone blaming Obama is suffering from clinical denial .That delusion would require the surreal belief that Clinton was something other than a republican ,while Obama is a rogue anomaly ,or Hoyer is somehow different than Pelosi or Obama .The democratic party is a Wall St. construct of organized crime ,it is run through Robert Rubin’ DLC as a neocon vehicle for bankster pillage via austerity and monopoly consolidation into a fascistic system of inverted totalitarianism .
I don’t waste time with imho .Anyone who has the reasoning capacity of a ten-year old ,could deduce the dems are pursuing rubinomics to surfeit the greed of Wall St. by impoverishing and enslaving us .Educated dems are the most retarded because they surrendered their minds to authority figures via conformity ,and they are far less resourceful than teabaggers and other simpletons ,because at least their misguided policies are correctly rooted in the very rational assumption that bankster-run government is out to destroy them .
None of this would have been necessary if the voters, especially voters on Social Security, were not consistently voting for Republicans who have been campaigning relentlessly for as long as I can remember on promises to cut Social Security.
Didn’t voters vote to cut Social Security?
Didn’t voters on Social Security and Medicare vote for cuts in their entitlements by voting Republican, and voting for Mitt Romney?
If the Republicans are promising to cut entitlements and you want entitlements increased, how can you vote for any Republican in the past two decades?
Yet voters have voted for Republicans and in large enough numbers to make them the (virtual) majority for 16 out of the past 20 years.
When voters vote for entitlement cuts by voting Republican, especially those getting entitlements, give the voters what they want.
And if you don’t want what the majority wants, you need to convince the majority of voters to change their minds and votes.
The voters are not your friends because they vote Republican the majority of the time based on the past quarter century of elections.
Stop blaming the Democratic leadership for moving closer to the voters.
If you think the majority of voters are wrong, you need to change the opinions and votes of the voters. If 80% of voters rejected Republicans and voted Democratic, you would make a lot of progress in getting more leftist Democrats elected. But if your solution is a defeated left-wing Democrat, why would any Democratic leader listen to you. The conservative Democrats were not defeated by Tea Party Republicans because the Democrats weren’t left-wing enough.
In other words, you want to cut Social Security like Republicans voted to do when they opposed Obama by voting for the Ryan budget??
I’m confused at your logic…
The voters voted in a House Republican majority based on the Republicans campaigning on entitlement cuts, didn’t they? Or did the voters use your logic and vote Republican to oppose entitlement cuts?
So, the working poor won’t be hurt by the EITC, the childcare credit, the payroll tax abatement, all of which Obama is trying to extend?
The unemployed won’t be hurt by the ending of extended unemployment which Obama is trying to extend?
Maybe you don’t think $1000 to $2000 is much, but for someone making $15,000 that is a lot of money.
Rahm? Is that you, Rahm?
… mulp carefully says nothing of the Dem betrayals, lies, bad faith and outright failures that led to the 2010 losses.
This shtick was a ragged-ass strawman the day mulp trotted it out and it ain’t getting any more relevant with repetition.