Were these sniper planning people arrested? The government seems to go nuts when somebody donates $1 to the wrong charity and the feds swoop in to arrest. Was the same vigilance applied to those who want to shoot OWS leaders? And why didn’t we hear about it?

Does anyone recall how quickly and vehemently Naomi Wolfe was castigated for her November, 2011 reporting about the coordination among DHS and local authorities in crushing OWS, and on so-called progressive websites? I do. Makes you wonder who’s controlling content on “progressive” websites, doesn’t it.

I do and believe she has been vindicated by the information now coming out.

Is she ever! I’m glad that you remember, too. I was very puzzled by the vehemence of the denial of her reporting. It was like a coordinated attempt to crush her credibility along with crushing OWS. And, it came up very quickly on “progressive” sites and forums. Hmmm.

If you were there, you have no doubt who was willing to gun all the protesters down, on a whim.

The most chilling recollection I have is being at the RNC and seeing all the cops on the overpasses with guns pointed at me.

Makes you wonder who’s controlling content on “progressive” websites, doesn’t it.

Fascists are in control, under the guise of protection. Doesn’t matter what a website’s leanings might be!

It is a cancer which has taken hold, when American(s) engaged in discourse, addressing a problem are terminated/killed “as needed,” to protect debauchery?

That “if deemed necessary” is very sinister, indeed. Someone better have a very good explanation. Clearly, it is part of the FBI’s perceived remit to prevent change from taking place in this country.

And here I was practicing my lovingkindness meditation this morning. . . Also critical to remember that there is serious institutional evil out there, and that it must be opposed.

The “information coming out” does not “vindicate” Naomi Wolf in the least. She is a hyperbolic nutjob who either does not read, or does not understand, source material. She is full of shit.

Here we go again.

But that is your opinion only, Mr. hyper something! Let’s make it personal about YOU, like you are doing to her.

And, it is important to keep the starfish model of decision-making. Anyone can be a leader in Occupy or any other transformational organization.

The Javerts of this world, who rely on their internal preoccupation with propping up the existing social order, will not be able to know who to be upset with that way. (Javert is the policeman in Les Miserables who can only perceive the ‘shadow self’ in each person, including in himself. He is ready to fire himself when he thinks he has been ‘wrong’ about ValJean. Hence, he is similarly not forgiving any person whom he has decided is a bad person.)

In the starfish model, any person willing to experiment with democratic consensus building and group process, can participate in building a social movement. A tolerance for uncertainty and error is to be highly commended.

Thanks for this critically important reporting. See this great analyis at Naked Capitalism by Yves Smith, cross posted at the Guardian.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/12/banks-deeply-involved-in-fbi-coordinated-suppression-of-terrorist-occupy-wall-street.html

Naomi Wolf is certainly vindicated, as she was prescient in understanding that there was coordination of the suppression and now we see that the Federal Reserve and too-big to fail banks were also monitoring and sharing information with the FBI. State and corporate suppression of civil rights, nearly classical definition of fascism.
As noted in the NC article, Homeland Security should be more concerned about the assassination threats against US citizens, than civil disobedience as an expression of our natural and civil rights.

In 2002-2003 I attended 3 anti-war protests( Iraq II ) in my city. They were legally permitted and thousands of citizens even brought their families. They were peaceful and thoughtful expressions of citizens in action. And, the level of police and plain clothed videographers, unidentified, on the rooftops of the protest route was remarkable. But the participants marched on. They could not have foreseen what the future held. A decade later we see the level of scrutiny formalized, ( Homeland Security, etc ) cataloged and shared ( Fusion Centers ) with the very people who are accused of serious crimes ( Wall St./Financial Ind. ) against the populace. Violent suppression and veiled threats, notwithstanding, the definition of crazy, or insane, gov’t. overreach really needs to be updated. And, that’s my redacted version-BTW

Institutionalized surveillance state created by the Domestic Security Alliance Council. They describe themselves as this:

The Domestic Security Alliance Council (DSAC), a strategic partnership between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the private sector, enhances communications and promotes the timely and bidirectional effective exchange of information keeping the nation’s critical infrastructure safe, secure and resilient. DSAC advances elements of the FBI and DHS missions’ in preventing, deterring, and investigating criminal and terrorism acts, particularly those effecting interstate commerce, while advancing the ability of the U.S. private sector to protect its employees, assets and proprietary information.

This is the definition of fascism, no.?? pretty close, eh?

http://www.dsac.gov/Pages/index.aspx

Love it.

I sometimes wonder how many Moles, either government or private, are burrowing through sites like FDL.

Kevin G uncovered one on his site a few months back so maybe we should have a contest to see who can identify the next one.

Wow! Protesters being shot down in the streets??? Why does that give me a “deja vu feeling all over again”???

They got their own TV show on CBS on Thursday at 9ET.

Who’d a thunk???

Has anybody checked out the “new” guy?????????

Just sayin’.

Daily Kos’ Markos Malitos is most likely controlled opposition. Do believe he worked for the CIA (probably still does).

The conversations here are better explained, IMO, as Americanized agitprop. Or, to describe the other sides’ strategy and maneuvering, as realpolitik. Afterall, they are the deciders, to coin a phrase. As the Nixon Adm. like to say, ” when you got’em by the balls ( veheenas ), their hearts and minds will follow. ” And, they pretty much have everyone’s privates in hand right now.

Hmm, so are your saying she’s ecliptic? :-)

Confusion of conic sections here?

I was part of the Occupy the London Stock Exchange camp and a local resident showed us a mail sent from the police that defined us as ‘Domestic Terrorists’. Clearly, asking questions of those with power and speaking truth are dangerous activities… this article too explains more about the perceived ‘threat’ of Occupy:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy?fb=native&commentpage=1
“It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves.

The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, in a groundbreaking scoop that should once more shame major US media outlets (why are nonprofits now some of the only entities in America left breaking major civil liberties news?), filed this request. The document – reproduced here in an easily searchable format – shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.”

What really bothers me is how easily groups are infiltrated and directed by the agents of the Beast. Occupy Austin is an example where Pigs who looked like undercover Pigs were easily able to fool the Hippies and take control leading to felony prosecution.

I’m sure this was widespread and wonder why with all the tools now available this was allowed to happen. This is nothing new it happened to us in the ’60s when it was much more difficult to uncover hidden identities.

The Moles on sites like FDL are little more than a nuisance but they do have some effect on the discussion.

Does their work for them, believes in the basic mission.

Wildly over the top. She helps to drive discussion on the left in a way that no 30 academics, couching their formulations in the safe rhetoric that keeps them in Volvos, ever do.

Please, btw, submit your footnotes at the bottom of this page.

This is a warning to chill expression – a “notification” released by the FBI that someone is targeting anyone from OWS who distinguishes themselves.

Similar claims were made by Lt. Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, the former chief of staff and counsel to Secretary of State Colin Powell, speaking about the NDAA and the suspension of posse comitatus we haven’t seen since the Civil War era. Recalling J. Edgar Hoover’s campaign to paint legitimate dissenters as communists, Wilkerson believes the NDAA is more about the Occupy movement than al Qaeda sleeper cells:

“I don’t think they’re doing this based on their fear of terrorists. I really think they’re doing this based in their ultimate fear of the Occupy Wall Street — cum — other movements in this country which are going to deepen and become more profound in every city in this country if we do head into a depression, rather than a recession which, with Europe and our banks so heavily committed to each other, is looking more and more like the future.

If that’s the case, these people are hedging bets against their own people, by making their military a part of the force they will call out against their own people. And to me, that’s heinous. Calling the Occupy Wall Street people terrorists is the next move, I mean, that’s how you start this kind of stuff.”

This would also explain the stealthy, fast-tracked passage of the Trespass Bill HR 347, making it a felony punishable by up to ten years in federal prison to protest anywhere certain government officials don’t want you to.

The “unanimous consent” vote in the Senate meant no record was kept of how each Senator voted, but the House approved it in February by a margin of 338-3 before Obama signed it, the perfect companion law to the NDAA in bald, glaring defiance of The First Amendment.

I think you nailed it. This is the same sort of warning our local police chief gave to the press during the phoney “flag burning crisis” back in the late 1980′s. It went something like “Hey protesters, youse guys outa’ think twice before you burn a flag ‘cuz dares some real violent people out there who might hurt you an’ we cops might not be able to get to youse in time to save you, wink wink, get da’ message, dirty hippies?

We should not react to the police state with fear. When J.P. Morgan has to give the NYPD an extra $4.2 million to bust our heads it means we are winning hearts and minds. We need to increase our pressure on the plutocracy by inventing new and more sophisticated modes of non-violent resistance. Never surrender!!

Bingo!

Naomi Wolf made committed the unforgivable sin of being right. The so-called “progressive” forum “Drive We Said” is filled with members who once loved Wolf and Glenn Greenwald (when it was Bush in power) who now are filled with spite towards the news being reported.

They must’ve decided against the sniper killings once they realized ows was a ground up movement with no leaders just group votes true democracy

same thing on page 69: To: Jacksonville From: Jacksonville b7A

Re: 10/19/2011 b7E
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interested in developing a long–term plan to kill local Occupy leaders
via sniper fire.

Some could do a face plant in pile of camel dung and fail to realize, it is camel dung. Society’s affinity to adopt fascist tendencies in stressful situations is analogous to a drunk’s affinity to alcohol, while coping with life? Dysfunctional to the core…. Never again….

yeah. pretty hard to believe that she was because what she reported was so easy to believe. but she was.

Footnotes? I don’t need any stinking footnotes, unlike Naomi Wolf, and apparently several here, I actually know how to read FBI field reports and 302s. In fact, I do that for a living.

Not just me, but also Xeni Jardin at Boing Boing who thinks Wolf is full of shit.

…amplified in a Guardian op-ed by Naomi Wolf (which I would argue contains distortions and misinterpretation)…

That is also what Leopold, Greenwald and most anybody with common sense would say. Or are we all Fascists too?