Even if the Senate comes up with a deal tonight the United States of America is still likely to go off the “fiscal cliff”:
President Obama said Monday that Congress is making progress on a short-term “fiscal cliff” deal, but it is increasingly clear as a midnight deadline approaches that Washington will have to fix the impending tax hikes and spending cuts retroactively.
House Republicans advised members Monday afternoon that no votes were expected on a final deal tonight, but cautioned that the situation is “very fluid.”…
Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has said he will bring to the floor whatever passes the Senate, but he has cautioned that his chamber reserves the right to amend — or defeat — the proposal.
This is in no way surprising given how this has played out. But one wonders – can Boehner get this done Tuesday? Wednesday? Ever?
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It is a truly depressing state of affairs when liberals have to pin their hopes on Tea Party Republicans to save the day. Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, c’mon… who’s your buddy, who’s your pal? ; )
I’m surprised the pee tardy didn’t save this for the debt ceiling. I was certain that’s where they encamp. What goes?
Republican Senators promised a “round 2″ on the debt ceiling vote. I guess House GOP wanted more instant gratification.
Boehner tweeting equivalent of “it’s the Senate’s fault!”
Nope.
Act Blue needs to open up a special page for the teabaggers who helped kill this.
Heheh.
Really?
Props to DDay, he called this when “Plan B” collapsed.
That’s why I’m fairly resigned to going over the slope. Preferences are really out the window at this point; it’s what will happen.
is this a bad tghing?
Just on CNN- Grover Norquist supports the deal. Robert Reich opposes. Amusing.
The Rethuglikens won’t be happy unless Obama gives up all Abortion rights and re-institutes Slavery , only then they will they go along and allow tax increases on everyone, but the rich.
Man, don’t mention his name. Get’s me all wet around the eyes.
DSW is doing a great job. But just the sheer number of articles and vast amount of information that FDL loses with DDay gone is impossible to fill.
In the interim there seems to be a lot of fluff pieces front paged.
Will Boehner be speaker on January 3? New Congress starts then… Wednesday is last possible day for 112th Congress to act.
x2 on DSW.
Unlike DDay, Matthew Iglesias was considerably less prescient Plan B fails. Fiscal Cliff deal now more likely
X 3.
Remind me again what the criticisms were of Naomi Wolf’s article claiming DHS involvement in coordinating the Crackdown on OWS?
DSWright – there are zillions of good reasons to not give a flying f’k about what I say – BUT …
if you’re gonna use right wing fucking lies in your titles, lies like “Fiscal Cliff”, well, I can get that at dkos or the NYT or WAPO … or my 0bummer / Washington State Dim-0-Crap$ emails …
don’t be another fucking stooge stenographer.
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rmm.
seattle.
Started drinking a little early this New Year’s Eve, eh, seabos?
I’ve been alternating between using quotes, italics, etc for “fiscal cliff”
The story/term is relevant within the context of the Right setting itself up to fail and now is in such disarray it is unable to take YES for an answer as Obama just caved on the $250k limit. They raised the stakes with hyperbole then stepped in it. But yes, as is plainly understood now, there is no actual “cliff.”
But if Boehner loses the gavel this “fiscal cliff” crisis will be a big reason why.
On a related note, I think Samuel Adams and the rest of the colonial revolutionaries would find modern Republicans to be disgustingly alien to their values and sensibility – none the less the term “Tea Party” is part of the contextual vocabulary and while I could resist giving far right reactionaries the honor of affiliation with ye olde Occupy Boston Harbor, people understand the term’s new context and generally don’t transfer the meaning. So I use “Tea Party” and “Fiscal Cliff” because that is the common reference for news stories.
If I wasn’t on the news desk I might ditch the term – but I am, so I don’t
Any deal short of total Dem capitulation would not get through the Senate: Rand Paul spent a good hour on the floor today ranting about class warfare and jealousy toward rich people. He likely would put a (secret?) hold on any deal.
In the House, Boehner has no control whatsoever over his flopping member(ship). He’s been playing the bluff game for years now: pretend there’s possible agreement among the baggers, when there is none, then wait for the deal to collapse then blame POTUS — to fix blame take any true statement about the repugs, substitute in the word Dems and voila. Works everytime!
Re #3:
I think the TP’s cliff trick to follow will be selective, restrictive, piecemeal restorations of spending. A lot of little bills would appear in the House, etc. No big omnibus buffet, where broccoli gets held hostage on the same plate, too.
I’m afraid the real battles are yet to come, and will go on ad nauseum. Will the Senate (or O, for that matter) reject something wanted because it gets isolated into a limited bill of its own? The GOPers will call them “clean” bills of course.
Is that why everything’s going down the tubes now, or do I have an overactive imagination?
CBS News: White House says a fiscal cliff deal has been reached
Now can we go back to “normal?”
Justin Amash said he wanted Defense Cuts and was willing to compromise with Democrats to get it. So he was kicked off the Committee and the military budget when from 604 billion to 633 billion
The cliff is chemotherapeutic with though a 10% cut in this uncontrolled growth is not nearly enough
I urge Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Barney Frank and Dennis Kucinich to come up with a joint demand that the military would be cut before signing any deal. These Lame Ducks can still make demands in the special session now New Years Day
http://www.dailypaul.com/268151/the-defense-budget-is-a-cancer-the-financial-cliff-is-chemotherapy
http://my.firedoglake.com/richardkanepa/2012/12/29/kucinich-and-ron-paul-can-save-the-us-economy-from-collapse-and-starvation-in-the-next-26-hours/
The Senate is still in section I think 1 am and the House will meet New Years Day Noon
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/12/31/obama-congress-fiscal-cliff-taxes/1799927/
OMG, omg, omg, omg.
How ever will the nation survive going over the fiscal cliff at midnight on December 31, 2012?
The run up to the fiscal kabuki by government and its propaganda arm, the U.S. media, made the run up by the same group to the invasion of Iraq seem quietude.
Suckas!
I wonder if perhaps the House Republicans will break ranks?
And if they do, what will the Senate Democrats do, when they realize what they have voted for?