The Democratic Party has always prided itself on having a “big tent.” But representing a diversity of interests is different than representing conflicting interests. As President Obama’s Second Inauguration approaches the divisions within the Democratic Party over wealth inequality and social justice are boiling to the surface.
From Politico:
As President Barack Obama approaches his second inaugural on Monday, he presides over a party that has largely papered over its divisions for the past four years thanks to the president’s commanding popularity.
But almost as soon as the echo of Obama’s inaugural address fades and he becomes a lame duck, Democrats are going to have to face a central and unresolved question about their political identity: Will they become a center-left, Democratic Leadership Council-by-a-different-name party or return to a populist, left-leaning approach that mirrors their electoral coalition?
Calling the DLC “center-left” is a bit of a misnomer. The correct division is between Corporate Liberals and progressives. Those that genuinely believe (or are paid to genuinely believe) that the growth of Corporate Power in American society is not only a positive development but necessary for progress. On the other side are the progressives who believe the power of capital – particularly finance capital – has grown to the point of suffocating democracy and the possibility for progress. No easy divide to bridge.
“The real struggle within the Democratic Party is where you stand on income inequality and whether the government needs to be a part of fixing that problem,” said Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. “The demographics that the Democratic Party must attract are the people who need responsive government.”
In no debate is this divide more clear than on entitlements where Corporate Liberals have decided to swallow right-wing talking points whole despite all evidence to the contrary. They also have, to an embarrassing degree, embraced Wall Street’s worldview on debt. After bailing out the banks – making private debts public debts – the Corporate Liberals have sided with the Republicans to now extract debt payments from the lower classes to pay off that odious debt.
AFL-CIO political director Michael Podhorzer was even blunter.
“There’s no denying that there are two Democratic parties,” said Podhorzer. “One that has a fair amount of allegiance to Wall Street and to the notion that it’s no big deal to raise the retirement age or cut benefits. They see the Democratic coalition of the future being more upscale. But there’s a big part of the party that still sees Democrats as still being anchored by downscale.”
And of course the Corporate Liberals’ biggest blind spot, the environment. Despite lofty goals and rhetoric climate change remains unaddressed in any meaningful way. By his own metric Obama has failed on one of the biggest issues of his time.
It will be interesting to see how this divide plays out for the remainder of Obama’s presidency. Neither side of the divide has a compelling reason to lay down.





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“… the divisions within the Democratic Party over wealth inequality and social justice are boiling to the surface…
Not to take issue with your apt description, DS, but you know what usually boils to the surface ? (At least, when I cook, it does.)
Scum.
How can anyone have faith that these ‘new’ perturbations will be anything but a total sham? We went to the brink with Obama on so many issues his first term. And our Congress, all of them, let us down. I’m not holding out any hope for ‘lame duckness.’ This president gets what he wants; he always has.
Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble.
The democratic party is rotten to the core.
Fuck the democratic party and the Ronald Reagan in Kenyan Sheepherder’s clothing who epitomizes its bullshit facade.
Now, back to local politics: fuck the democratic party.
I will never vote for another democratic , even so called progressive wing will come out and say , I won’t vote for this bill, only to cave when the vote comes up .It ain’t nothing but a kubucki show.
It is disheartening to get email after email asking for donations from politicians, who won’t raise the minimum wage to even Australian (yikes) levels ($15.65 an hour, U.S.), and want my children to retire when they are 70 and then pay $2,000 or more a month per person for health insurance at age 69.
If we actually could have a third party in this country, the democrats could be shown as the enablers of Empire that they have become. But because it is all about who has more money and not about illegal wars and torture, average people are not even aware of what a monster the empire parties have created.
I’m that way and have been for years. I’ve been called a Naderite, a spoiler, and a vanity partier, not to mention purist and sparkle pony seeker. The real wacky ones call me a Republican because they can’t seem to comprehend that there is ample room to oppose Obama from the left.
“There’s no denying that there are two Democratic parties,” said Podhorzer.
And, the reality is that the “Corporatist Liberals” have beaten the shit out of the “Progressives” and have taken over the Democratic party’s establishment. Progressives (like Rep. Keith Ellision) only make a whole lot of noise but fold like a deck of cards and vote in line with the “Corporatist Liberals’” wishes. As such, today’s Democratic party has no future in my heart. Today’s Democratic party is yesterday’s GOP. Essentially, the Democratic truly has become a Republican party with a slight time lag.
You can vote but you can’t work
If you don’t have any human rights, all of the civil rights we have on paper are worthless.
Political this and that are just to keep you distracted from the truth.
The fact that the Democrats support and enable Obama is what makes him the more effective evil.
The wacky ones have a huge comprehension problem when it comes to opposing Obama from the left, don’t they? Especially early in the morning when, it seems, they like to start their day bashing Republicans. You’d think they’d tire of it, but noooo…
It’s really all they have left in their arsenal, because they certainly can’t defend the policies of Obama and The Rubberstamping Democrats.
Pretty much. To the extent that there was a progressive wing of the dims in my lifetime, it was routed and retired from the field during the Clinton years. Now we just have absolute frauds who mouth progressive values and always fall in line with the party center.
There are no more divisions within the center-right Democratic party.
Who you calling downscale?
One of these recently told me that SS was a mandated retirement-savings program, devised to save the country from the drag on capital that indigent seniors represent. He also told me he was confident there were no war criminals in the Bush administration.
Since he’s too young to realize it himself, I informed him that he is a Reagan Republican.
The Split is really among a Sliver at the top – In the Sliver are the millions of households with over $100,000 a year in household income – NOT Rich!! like Gate$ or Trump, but far enough from the day to day travails of the junk-mart economy (the other 60 and 80%) to not have a clue of what that daily life is like.
The junk-marters know that the pile of student debts will be probably rewarded with default and shit jobs. The junk-marters know that their health “insurance” is a legal sham available to those with the money to play legal games – not them. The junk-marters know that unemployment is unreliable and retraining a gamble, and that before their retirement check is direct deposited, all kinds of thieving lying yuppie scum and just flat out theives are gonna dip into that check.
Economically, there are roughly 2 kinds in Sliver. There are people like obama and clinton — pretty much up by their boot straps. Most of the Sliver are people more like Gore, Kerry and Dukakis – they came from that Sliver.
Politically, the progressive “leaders” in that Sliver are political incompetents, diaper pissing cowards, or a mix of each. Their “compromises” don’t count as sell outs to them cuz they’re not part of the junk-mart economy. The Corp-0-rat DLC Third Way New Dem lying, yuppie scum sell outs are just the top of the management scum sewage tank. They’re democrats cuz their NOT racist, sexist, bigoted drooling 13th century flat earthers – even though they’re rich pig ass kissers.
The “division” in the dem party is at the top, in the $liver. Then there is the other 60 and 80% of the population …
rmm.
Exactly. When “Romney would have been worse” is the foundation of your political belief system, bashing Repubs while omitting Dem culpability is about all you’ve got.
Seniors a drag on capital? No criminals in the Bush administration? He’s definitely a Reagan Republican. Or a Rahm Emanuel Democrat, which, it can be argued, is much worse.
More accurately, you can click an icon generated by proprietary secret software you can’t see or test tabulated by similar software that has been developed and managed on machines and systems owned, secured, certified, and loaded by the same defense contractor entities that give you rendition, torture, spying, drones, invasions, occupation, resource- grabbing, and endless war for profit. But its all good because the republicans are so stupid and mean and conspiracies and manipulation of the government only happens in commy-pinko countries, plus Michelle and the kids are SO adorable.
I have voted Democrat for the past 40 years, I am a member of the AFL-CIO for 33 years. I am one of those center left Democrats that is being driven out of the “tent”. I am not a corporate wall street type, but more of a ditch digger type. I work hard, I pay my bills, I live within my means.I also enjoy the sport of shooting. As a Union Member of 33 years i have seen times when the Democratic Party stood by the Unions and backed them with passion. When they weren’t afraid to spend a little political capital to help the middle class.Now, what I see is lip service and platitudes. Every important issue that the Unions have [pleaded for has been back burnered.
i am considered by almost all the people I deal with and know as a liberal, to the point that i started carrying a liberal card as a joke so I could show that I was a card carrying liberal. Now I go onto many of these forums and are often derided as a FOX Troll, a Neo-Con, or a NRA Nazi for simply debating about gun control from a perspective of a gun owner. I find it somewhat odd, since I don’t watch FOX, I am anything but a Neo-Con and I am not and never have been a member of the NRA (Macarthyism anyone?)
So basically I don’t pass the new Democrat purity test. The Party has thrown me out of the tent. I am done pushing for, backing up, defending and donation either time or money to the Democrat Party. I have no more cheeks to slap. If the Republicans take over the Senate in 2014, I feel it at this point I won;t be any worse off than i am under the Democrats.
So…Third Party anyone?
Agreed.
You say, “The real wacky ones call me a Republican because they can’t seem to comprehend that there is ample room to oppose Obama from the left.”
I could not agree with you more. Huffingtonpost readers belong to this categorization – what I refer to the most naive (replace it with “the dumbest” if you are having a bad day) subset of the Democratic base. For this subset of the Democratic base, the brand is all that matters and policies are not of any consequence – these folks will support the Democratic party no matter how egregious and “Republican like” the Democratic party has become. Fortunately for the “Corporatist Sellout Liberals”, this subset is a very large contingent of the Democratic base.
I hope their are a lot of union members who feel the way you do.
X2
I can’t read the comments at Huff Poo anymore. You are braver than I :)
Only Politico would call the DLC left-of-center. Sheeesh! That’s like saying Manhattan is the geographic center of the country. Oh, wait… let me rephrase that: Manhattan is the center of the DLC’s universe. And, as for voters, there’s really not much disagreement in the Democratic coalition on policy matters. They want, at the very least, 30-40% cuts in the DOD & HSA and their affiliated agencies, a much better and inclusive public healthcare system, a living wage floor of at least $11-12 an hour, cleaner and more transparent elections, an end to tax havens and corporate subsidies for the oil & gas industry, better public schools, restoration of the bill of rights in re: to civil liberites and so forth. The disconnect is not among the coalition its’ in the leadership. It’s why the coalition should have a good ol’ knock down fight in 2015-16 about who’s going to represent the Democratic Party. And, if there will be a 3rd Party in the general in 2016. Because Obama’s action have clearly shown he thinks the center of the country is Manhattan.
I really shouldn’t be posting this comment.
As such, I am an old, grumpy and long in the tooth,military vet and Democrat that looks to the future and sees where my folks, racial and ethnics will be “maintaining and managing” our America in 30 years with a national debt well above $30 trillion, and with the white Progressives–as a minority, aligned with us, and together, we will facing the daunting task for perpetuating a “progressive agenda.”
And to date, no Progressive Group or person has crafted this 30-Year American Agenda, and which tells me much that Progressives are living-for-today, and not much else. Obama’s agenda consists of “Guns, Immigration, and Climate Change, and not much else. To wit, History tells us that during the regimes of Johnson, Nixon and Carter, they or each administration were working on 20 pieces of legislation, and done simultaneously, and which “notifies” us that Progressive neither have a well-developed “agenda” nor even think one is necessary.
Perhaps, when I see a “progressive” professing to establish a Progressive Caucus in the Senate, I will think more highly of white Progressives.
Jaango
All this is very true and food for much thought, hotdog.
Apologies for misquoting the witches in Macbeth at my first comment.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire, burn; and, caldron, bubble.
I think it’s appropriate. The witches all proclaim this for Macbeth’s ‘second term’. He already has murdered Duncan.
“Obama’s agenda consists of “Guns, Immigration, and Climate Change,…”
Nope. Obama’s only agenda is a grand bargain that will cut ( Obama’s code word is “Stregthen”) the social safety net. Everything else is subtrafuge and mis-direction.
You will see no meaningful legislation on gun control or climate change. We may see an immigration bill that under scrutiny provides very little actual change.
This is an incomplete, but otherwise useful description of Neo-Liberalism:
Look it up and note who the leading lights of Neo-Liberalism are: Hayek, Friedman and so on. Also too, a nice bit of Leo Strauss thrown in for good measure. IOW, they are the very antithesis of LIberalism, unless you count 19th century Bourbon Democrats as being terribly Liberal.
Personally, I don’t know where this claim of conflict within the Inner Party is coming from. I see no evidence of it at all. Is the AFL-CIO down with cutting Social Security? Why, yes it is. Did Keith Ellison, co-chair of the CPC, vote for the Fiscal Grift package? Why, yes he did! In fact, only six Dems voted against it.
As for the environment and climate change, I hate to say this DS, but your naiveté leaves a lot to be desired. The entire party has laid down on this. The president says natural gas is Fan-Francking-Tastic and his EPA shut down studies into water contamination. That’s not lackluster or measly, that’s direct interference with the friggin’ law. It’s also completely corrupt. Also too, “progressives” are nowhere to be found on any of that.
So where is this conflict residing and who is actively challenging party leadership in a serious way? That’s a rhetorical question, of course, because we all know the answer is “No one.” If “Progressives” are willing to go along with throwing millions of old people into poverty, then I would suggest that label no longer applies to them.
Until that gets cleared up, there is no “conflict.” Only duplicitous press releases.
Green Party is where I am hanging my hat. Not perfect but sounds like you might want to look at them. You would be welcome there and voting for something instead of against something is more palatable.
All very true. While we were looking elsewhere, the Dems renamed the Big Tent, the Goldman Sachs Pavilion.
They don’t want us. In fact, they despise us. Why anyone would persist in the notion that there is something worth fighting for in the Democratic Party is beyond me… and I’ve been a registered Democrat for 35 years. I was, anyway.
Until a lot more people up and leave the Party to go somewhere else, we’re going to be stuck on this downward spiral into dystopia.
I was proud of Barbara Lee,(D) Oakland, CA for the guts to cast the only NO vote authorizing W to flatten Iraq. Now she and the Progressive caucus swing behind Obama LLC on every occasion, like good Obamabots. No integrity in either party.
I think the real problem here is not the Democrats who hold political power, its their supports. The self labeled liberals and progressives who hold ideals no where near any of these. Too much time has been spent trying to reason with them, it has reinforced the legitimacy of their despicable beliefs and their warped views on reality. To whit, they pontificate some rainbow sparkly pony illusion of the Democratic party that is in reality a sadistic embrace of fascism and hero worship. I think they need to stop being coddled and should be answered with:
There is no moral justification for supporting a war criminal. No decent person can do so. Any “pragmatic” reasons you can come up with for supporting someone who murders innocent children are invalid and morally bankrupt. Policies may be debated between rational human beings. You fail on either one or both of these traits. No person should have to choose between rooting for Stalin or Hitler, it is a false choice that any person of principle would refuse to make. You may traffic with the scum of the earth if you wish too. This doesn’t make you enlightened or pragmatic or even a decent person outside of your own fantasies. Every tyrant of every age has had water carriers just like you. Conformist or Con Men, able to suspend their cognitive dissonance with fantasies of one type or the other. People too afraid to pull the trigger themselves, but also too scared to not support the school yard bully. At least some of them could say that they had dire need to make the choices they did. They may have faced death or the ruin and dissolution of their families if they didn’t join the Nazis or kowtow to the Emperor. So tell me, what hardship do you face? What is your integrity and the future worth? This is where some of those people could say they did it for the their lives or the lives of their children, literally. You can’t. You’ll trade a 3 to 15% difference between a Democrat or Republican on nearly any issue for the lives of thousands of innocent people. That’s not a difference even worth mentioning. Why bargain with the Devil for so small an outcome?
Coach Bill @27
Democrats understand the following, and what results, will come to be seen as a lack of a Progressive Agenda, hence 30 years.
Today’s Conservatives,extremisists and non-extremists, are have having their gut-wrenching battle over control of the GOP. To wit, “non-extremists” want to “broker” a deal with Obama and the Democrats, and one in order not to overyly offend the ‘extremists.’ As such, Obama is the groom-in-waiting, and the attendees, the Democrats in the Senate, are willing to be “put upon” given that they too, are for the most part, “conservative” Democrats. And which is today’s “insider’s” Game.
And which brings me back to my circular argument for establishing a Progressive Caucus in the Senate. Failing to do so, pre-supposes that the House Progressive Caucus, is left alone to fight this ‘political extremism’ in both the House and within the White House. And thinking that Obama is a “conservative” Democrat is equivalent to placating Wall Street without lifing a finger for the damage done and the requisite repair that must be forthcoming. And he is a “conservative.”
Jaango
It’s exciting that FDL seemed to understand this earlier than most of the liberal blogosphere. Woohoo.
The Democratic Party isn’t divided. Obama and his inner circle completed the job started by Bill Clinton: purging progressives from any meaningful role in the party, and centralizing its governance in the hands of Beltway mandarins and faux-progressive think tanks.
It is no longer possible to change the party from within. As for changing outside the system, ask the Occupy movement how that worked out.
> I really shouldn’t be posting this comment
True. Makes you sound like a racist. “White progressives”? Why not leave the racism out? Or show us all the towering progressive accomplishments of Black progs, Yellow progs, Red progs, Brown progs, Triracial progs, Esquimeaux progs, etc, etc, etc, fucking etc. during the last 30 years? I find your comment racially and progressively divisive.
“You say, “The real wacky ones call me a Republican because they can’t seem to comprehend that there is ample room to oppose Obama from the left.”
I could not agree with you more. Huffingtonpost readers belong to this categorization – what I refer to the most naive (replace it with “the dumbest” if you are havingg a bad day) subset of the Democratic base…
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They’re probably over at HP now making fun of the Republican’s conspiracy theories regarding Newtown. Meanwhile, if many of the comments here were posted about opposition to Obama policies, then they’d swear everyone that wrote them was on Karl Rove’s payroll.
What makes me laugh the most is how they keep predicting the “demise of the Republcan Party” if they don’t “change.” The Republican Party doesn’t have to change with the Democratic Party establishment always there to throw them a lifeline.
I expect another economic crash to happen around the time of the 2016 election, which will bring in the executive branch administration. When alot of changes are happening, it’s an opportune time for another heist. And the financial sector is filled the same degenerate gamblers, only now even more emboldened because of weak, corrupt officials.
Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is going to learn that the divisions aren’t just Center-left progressives vs Corpo Democrats. They’re going to learn there’s a big difference between Center-left/progressives and Demo crats AND Obamatons. You have a whole wing of the Democratic Party that doesn’t really care or maybe they don’t understand the implications of policies…they just know what Obama is for or against. They support Obama and not policies (though they may try to argue otherwise).
I understand what you are suggesting. However, I have to say that the two main reasons why the Occupy movement made little or no dent is that the Occupy movement is very poorly planned at best. The movement doesn’t seem to have a clearcut message. The movement doesn’t seem to have a clear strategy other than gathering together at one place in a city like NYC. As much as I sympathize with the Occupy movement, I must say that unless the movement comes up with better strategy it is doomed.
…on point and nicely stated comment which I can/will do a X 2 on
Many good comments 1 – 39 as well … many good points made/exchanged
At this point post 1992,post 2000,post 2008 and post 2012 it is plain to see ( should be plain to see ) that needed national USA politics/economics and how these two slide up+down/side to side in USian society and in the social commons and commonwealth need to become about/must become about Top-Middle-Bottom and what this is/is not in the USA in 2013. Will be in 2016.
POTUS Obama(D) is doing Up-Down economics/politics plain to see based on who Obama wants to send money to ( Wall St./Big Banks/Pentagon/CIA )and not send money to ( SS-MC-MC/Middle Class/Low Employed/Not Employed/Little Money/Little Hope Class ) to begin the list. Based on what Obama keeps doing with his picks and choices in politics and to who.
I know the money is not coming my way.
I know Obama’s politics do not come my way.
How about you? What can/will we to do about it? Going to do about it?
2016 WH/POTUS Election should not be 2012/2008 again. What is good in/point to let 2016 be so again?
The Ds need to change a whole lot and soon. I doubt the Ds want to/will.
UCT1 @36,
I take it you’re offended that I would use “white Progressive” on the mistaken belief that Native Americians, African Americans, Asian Americans and Chicanos, writ large, are NOT Progessive Communities?
In thirty years or so, America, writ large, will become highly Progressive, and all from the projected demographics. Of course,our national debt will personify a destitute nation unwilling to pay the cost for becoming “unmanageable.”
In comparison, here in Arizona, two-thirds of the white population continue to support SB 1070 and it’s companion piece, HB 2281, and from this perspective, our true allies, are the white Progressives and which ccomprise 10% of the white population. In contrast, 90% of Native Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans and Chicanos are Progressive.
And if you’re truly offended with my “white Progressive” terminology, I have a bridge called Whine for sale and I’ll provide the cheese at no cost to you.
Jaango
OK, you admit to the racism charge and couldn’t provide the requested “other” progressive accomplishments to support your faulty argument. In addition, you proved in your paragraph 1 that you can’t read for comprehension. Finally, you attempt to personally insult me by saying I’m whining. Clearly you’re a racist moron anti-progressive, pro-divisive force of nature. Normally I’d simply rewrite your last paragraph to rub your nose in your own shit-flinging, but I kinda feel sorry for you and will pass up the easy opportunity. Unless you politely request me to, of course. My good advice to you is keep your racist mewlings to yourself and support progressive causes wherever you find them.
“In the century in which we live, the Democratic Party has received the support of the electorate only when the party, with absolute clarity, has been the champion of progressive and liberal policies and principles of government…The party has failed consistently when through political trading and chicanery it has fallen into the control of those interests, personal and financial, which think in terms of dollars instead of in terms of human values…Until the Democratic Party through this convention makes overwhelmingly clear its stand in favor of social progress and liberalism, and shakes off all the shackles of control fastened upon it by the forces of conservatism, reaction, and appeasement, it will not continue its march of victory…The party must go wholly one way or wholly the other. It cannot face in both directions at the same time.” -FDR
Corporate Liberals are Democrats? Hardly, your Corporate Liberals are Republican moderates who cannot win as Republicans. Corporates =/ Liberals, dammit!
UCT1 @42,
When it came to banning uranium mining at the Grand Canyon and the adjacent areas, you weren’t anywhere to be found. But I was present while standing tall with both white and non-white Progressives, and thusly, the Secretary of Interior conceded to our demands. Need I say more?
Jaango
Yes,
I would agree. The Progressive Caucus and Labor unions do not constitute leftward faction in the Democratic Party. They are the worst of the corporate enablers. Their actions prove this contention.
The term “liberal” should not be applied in any form to the DLC/Third Way/New Democrats, not corporate liberal, not neoliberal, and not pragmatic liberal, either. They are in no way liberals.
Nor are they center left. They are center right. They are, however, corporatists.
Oh, and they are progressives, the Progressive Party having been culled from the left wing of the Republican Party.
The true division in the Democratic Party is between the the center right and the left, be the left liberals or what remains of blue collar Democrats.
The center right has all the power in the Party. Most of those in elected office either always were center or, like Schumer Kerry, made the switch.
The center right control the purse strings, the DNC, the candidate selection, who does or does not get backed in a primary, etc. The center right
the Party.
So the Democratic Party is still for you if a center right, quasi theocracy is your cup of tea. Other than that, you are probably kidding yourself.
When I was a kid, my entire extended family was Democratic in spades for two reasons: (1) Social Security; and (2) union. Being a Democrat was in my DNA.
In 2012, though, I finally voted Green. I wish I had done it long ago.
I don’t know what your issue is with your gun. If you don’t think it shoud be subject to any regulation at all, then we disagree. If, however, your only issue is what is said to you on message boards, that should not influence how you vote.
We have no way of knowing whether Romney would have been worse, or much the same, or better. And we will never know. Anymore than we will ever know what kind of President Gore would have been.
Romney was not all that bad as Governor of Massachusetts. Except for Romneycare, aka Hillarycare, aka Obamacare.
Right now, we don’t even know what Obama will be like in his second term.